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Yamato:  22
Montana: 20
Großer Kurfürst : 21
Zao: 23
Des Moines: 20
Hindenburg: 25
Moskva:18
Minotaur: 23
Shimakaze: 18 + 1 = 19 | still the best torp boat for peeps that can position.
Gearing: 11 - 3 = 8 | Give it the Fletchers torps and it is good but high range for low damage and long reload simply is not a good trade and with its rainbow arcs and phat ass it simply doesn't work as a pure gunboat.
Z-52: 7
Grozovoi: 14
Khabarovsk: 22
Hakuryu: 17

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Yamato:  23 - Because I like it.
Montana: 20
Großer Kurfürst : 21
Zao: 23
Des Moines: 20
Hindenburg: 25
Moskva:18
Minotaur: 23
Shimakaze: 16 - Because I don't
Gearing: 8
Z-52: 7
Grozovoi: 14
Khabarovsk: 22
Hakuryu: 17

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9 hours ago, bathoz said:

Yamato:  23 - Because I like it.
Montana: 20
Großer Kurfürst : 21
Zao: 23
Des Moines: 20
Hindenburg: 25
Moskva:18
Minotaur: 23
Shimakaze: 16 - Because I don't
Gearing: 8
Z-52: 7
Grozovoi: 14
Khabarovsk: 22
Hakuryu: 17

Ignore my previous post.

I will give a proper response here.

Shima +1=17 because it is still in the top 2 or 3 of popularity of T10 DD's.

Yamato -3 = 20 because with the cit lowering of the Iowa and Montana it is relatively squishy and the most easily citadeled T10 BB. We do not know what the RN T10 will be like.

 

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Yamato:  20
Montana: 20
Großer Kurfürst : 21
Zao: 23
Des Moines: 20
Hindenburg: 25
Moskva:18
Minotaur: 23
Shimakaze: 17 + 1 = 18 | the Shima is still the best torp boat and a blast to play with so many BBs and almost no CVs
Gearing: 8 -3 = 5 | Z-52 took Gearings trick of cap contesting and now a Fletcher is the better pick
Z-52: 7
Grozovoi: 14
Khabarovsk: 22
Hakuryu: 17

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Yamato:  20
Montana: 20 + 1 = 21 I still think this is most useful in generic team situations. Yamato and Kurfurst may be more specialised for certain roles, but the Montana is more useful in a larger number of situations. Great cruiser support with it's speed/stealth/AA/accuracy/. A BB that can push with the cruisers and DD's will help win the early fights. 
Großer Kurfürst : 21
Zao: 23
Des Moines: 20
Hindenburg: 25
Moskva:18
Minotaur: 23
Shimakaze: 18 
Gearing: 5 
Z-52: 7 - 3 = 4 It's a race to see which DD get's dropped first. For team play you need a ship that not only can cap contest but one that provides cover smoke and can spot enemy DD's. Unfortunatly I don't think the tier 10 DD's are as good at this as DD's at other tiers. However, I feel the Gearing is slightly better than the Z-52 at overall team support. To tell you the truth, I don't like any of the tier 10 DD's for team play with the exception of the Shimakaze.
Grozovoi: 14
Khabarovsk: 22
Hakuryu: 17

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Let's don't let this thread die.

 

Yamato:  20
Montana: 21
Großer Kurfürst : 21
Zao: 23
Des Moines: 20
Hindenburg: 25
Moskva:18
Minotaur: 23 - 3 = 20 Dies to easy once it get's focused
Shimakaze: 18 + 1 = 19 Probably the best suited for team play of all the DD's at this tier.
Gearing: 5 
Z-52: 
Grozovoi: 14
Khabarovsk: 22
Hakuryu: 17

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Yamato:  20
Montana: 21

Großer Kurfürst : 21 + 1 = 22 Decent when it doesn't get focus fired by 16"/50.
Zao: 23
Des Moines: 20
Hindenburg: 25
Moskva:18
Minotaur: 20
Shimakaze: 19

Gearing: 5 - 3 = 2 When the T9 occupies the prime spot you know something is wrong.
Z-52: 4 
Grozovoi: 14
Khabarovsk: 22
Hakuryu: 17

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Yamato:  20
Montana: 21

Großer Kurfürst : 22 +1 + 22  Like the 110E5 was the "comfort" tank, this chubby is the comfort BB.
Zao: 23
Des Moines: 20
Hindenburg: 25
Moskva:18
Minotaur: 20
Shimakaze: 19

Gearing:  2 -3 = -1  Mercy Killing.
Z-52: 4 
Grozovoi: 14
Khabarovsk: 22
Hakuryu: 17

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Yamato:  20
Montana: 21

Großer Kurfürst : 23 +1 = 24 Fat and fun
Zao: 23
Des Moines: 20
Hindenburg: 25
Moskva:18
Minotaur: 20
Shimakaze: 19

Z-52: 4 -3 = 1 Someone please give this turd a swift mercy killing.
Grozovoi: 14
Khabarovsk: 22
Hakuryu: 17

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On 7/29/2017 at 3:51 PM, Jarkorsis said:
7 hours ago, How_Terrible said:

Yamato:  20
Montana: 21

Großer Kurfürst : 23 +1 = 24 Fat and fun
Zao: 23
Des Moines: 20
Hindenburg: 25
Moskva:18
Minotaur: 20
Shimakaze: 19

Z-52: 4 -3 = 1 Someone please give this turd a swift mercy killing.
Grozovoi: 14
Khabarovsk: 22
Hakuryu: 17

 

Z-52: 1 -3 = -2 It is gone.

Moskva: 18+1 = 19. because it is Soviet Fantasy ship.

 

The state of T-10 DDs is horrible. With only 2 really worth playing and 1 a novelty. (Grozovoi). I wonder what the DEVs will do to spice it up.

 

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37 minutes ago, Jarkorsis said:

The state of T-10 DDs is horrible. With only 2 really worth playing and 1 a novelty. (Grozovoi). I wonder what the DEVs will do to spice it up.

I'd assume they'll do what they've been trying before. In other words, they'll nerf torpedos, make smoke transparent and give them a citadel.

Yamato:  20
Montana: 21

Großer Kurfürst : 24 +1 =25 Because it is just so german.
Zao: 23
Des Moines: 20
Hindenburg: 25
Moskva: 19
Minotaur: 20
Shimakaze: 19

Grozovoi: 14
Khabarovsk: 22 -3 =19 Because I'll never forgive how WarGaming handles this broken OP thing for some reason.
Hakuryu: 17

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Yamato:  20
Montana: 21

Großer Kurfürst : 25
Zao: 23
Des Moines: 21 - Because it's real.
Hindenburg: 25
Moskva: 19
Minotaur: 20
Shimakaze: 19
 
Grozovoi: 14
Khabarovsk: 16 - Because it isn't.
Hakuryu: 17

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Yamato:  20
Montana: 21

Großer Kurfürst : 25
Zao: 23

Des Moines: 21 + 1 = 22 A Des Moines division with the radar extended duration module gives you almost constant radar.
Hindenburg: 25
Moskva: 19
Minotaur: 20
Shimakaze: 19
 

Grozovoi: 14 - 3 = 11 It's novelty rarely gives it an advantage over the other remaining DD's
Khabarovsk: 16 
Hakuryu: 17

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Yamato:  20
Montana: 21
- 3 = 18 Seems like it should be a great ship, but I rarely see them on top of the leaderboard - too many bad players, or just hard to play well?
Großer Kurfürst : 25
Zao: 23
Des Moines: 22
Hindenburg: 25 + 1 =26 Usually "jack of all trades" ships are crappy at most things and good at none.  Hindenburg is the exception.
Moskva: 19
Minotaur: 20
Shimakaze: 19 

Grozovoi:  11
Khabarovsk: 16 
Hakuryu: 17

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Yamato:  20
Montana: 21

Großer Kurfürst : 25
Zao: 23
Des Moines: 23 +1 nothing competes with the DM's team support ability but unlike other team support ships, the DM is an absolute monster by itself at mid and close ranges as well.
Hindenburg: 25
Moskva: 19
Minotaur: 20
Shimakaze: 16 -3 has its moments of dominance but with the Z-52 and Grozovoi being added to the list of shit that will fuck you up if you cap, and the torps being so easy to spot, and the smoke being meh, and the guns being anemic (not even the hilarious alpha strike advantage of mid tier IJN dd's) this thing just doesn't fill a role that isn't crowded and/or useless.

Grozovoi:  11
Khabarovsk: 16 
Hakuryu: 17

 

I don't particularly like playing the DM but with the Z-52 being eliminated (I can only assume by people who haven't played it since it was buffed or learned it at all....) and CV's being in the state of hilarious imbalance and unreliability they are, there's just nothing on the list that has the CONSISTENT carry potential of the DM. The Hinden is a close 2nd, and it took a lot of willpower not to just tell you you're all wrong about the Montana, stop trying to tank like a Yam with it and play it like a cruiser you muppets......

 

The Shima just doesn't fill a role anymore, not like the mid tier IJN DD's do. It needs something. I don't know what, it's right on that line where the tiniest misstep in buffing it would make it game breakingly OP, but in it's current state, stacked against the other DD's, it just doesn't perform on par with any of them really. This was another choice where I had to set aside my intense and personal hatred of a cruiser with worse concealment than the fucking Kurfurst.......I know the Moskva is a decent ship, I just hate it. And after a match yesterday in which I late game carried by brawling a 2 man div of them in to oblivion in the HENRY FUCKING IV, I hate it all the more. But it is not the worst ship for winning battles consistently.

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Fixd the scoring since Shade left off Biggie's scoring.

Yamato:  20
Montana: 18 +1 = 19 Also agree with Shade. This is a great BB that a lot of people don't know how to play. GK is fun too, and if I want to bow tank I'll take the Mighty MO over the Yamato for credit purposes.
Großer Kurfürst : 25
Zao: 23
Des Moines: 23
Hindenburg: 26 
Moskva: 19 -3 = 16 Appeasing Shade's personal hate for this cruiser.
Minotaur: 20
Shimakaze: 16 
Grozovoi:  11
Khabarovsk: 16 
Hakuryu: 17

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Yamato:  20
Montana: 19
Großer Kurfürst : 25
Zao: 24 - Because it earned me my first witherer after over 2000 games. I think I fire too much AP.
Des Moines: 23
Hindenburg: 26 
Moskva: 16
Minotaur: 20
Shimakaze: 13 - Because of noobs that go chasing carriers
Grozovoi:  11
Khabarovsk: 16 
Hakuryu: 17

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Yamato:  20
Montana: 19
Großer Kurfürst : 25
Zao: 24
Des Moines: 23
Hindenburg: 26 
Moskva: 16
Minotaur: 20
Shimakaze: 13
Grozovoi:  8 - good guns, good torps, good speed, good AA but.. well, nothing is actually great on this ship and we are beyond the point where being good is good enough.
Khabarovsk: 16 
Hakuryu: 18 - not enough CV players here. This ship can carry battles more than anything.

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Yamato:  20
Montana: 19
Großer Kurfürst : 25
Zao: 21 - Great for solo, but a selfish ship at the end of the day. Stuff that is pointless in a division gets downvoted by me from now on.
Des Moines: 23
Hindenburg: 26 
Moskva: 17 - Tanks and radars things. Makes for a solid friend in your div. 
Minotaur: 20
Shimakaze: 13
Grozovoi:  
Khabarovsk: 16 
Hakuryu: 18 

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Yamato:  20
Montana: 19
Großer Kurfürst : 25
Zao: 21
Des Moines: 23
Hindenburg: 27 - Hindi seems to have it all right now. Can snipe well, is even better at medium range, can brawl quite well too. German Hydro is a very nice gimmick. Probably the top pick till the Conq arrives to kill everything.
Moskva: 17
Minotaur: 20
Shimakaze: 13
Grozovoi:  5 - This ship has no place among the other listed ships. It can not carry battles and doesn't even serve as a potential damage sponge like the Khaba.
Khabarovsk: 16 
Hakuryu: 18 

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Yamato:  20 + 1 =  21 Ignore it at your own peril, it can eliminate a cruiser that makes one mistake.
Montana: 19
Großer Kurfürst : 25
Zao: 21 -3 = 18 It just doesn't hold up to the strengths of the other Cruisers in the game, it would lose in a 1 v 1 versus any of them.  Without stealthfire it is looking mundane.
Des Moines: 23
Hindenburg: 27
Moskva: 17
Minotaur: 20
Shimakaze: 13
Grozovoi:  5
Khabarovsk: 16 
Hakuryu: 18 

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Yamato:   =  21 
Montana: 19
Großer Kurfürst : 25
Zao:  18 +1=19 Still the best overall cruiser, best alpha strike,best HE,best arcs, great AP, great torps, great armour. Anyone who thinks that removal of stealth fire nerfed this ship is clearly retarded, This was always the best mid range kiting Cruiser in the game, The Hindenburg has slightly better AP but it will still lose 1vs1 agaisnt a Zao 90% of the time. While a DM only has the advantage if the Zao doesn't get the alpha strike and is an idiot, while a Moskva dies all the time as they are too busy reversing away from the fight.
Des Moines: 23
Hindenburg: 27
Moskva: 17
Minotaur: 20
Shimakaze: 13
Grozovoi:  5-3=2 Unless aided by 5 other DDs this ship just does fuck all, in fact most DDs are like that but this is the worst of them.
Khabarovsk: 16 
Hakuryu: 18 

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3 hours ago, yoyoya2 said:

Yamato:   =  21 
Montana: 19
Großer Kurfürst : 25
Zao:  18 +1=19 Still the best overall cruiser, best alpha strike,best HE,best arcs, great AP, great torps, great armour. Anyone who thinks that removal of stealth fire nerfed this ship is clearly retarded, This was always the best mid range kiting Cruiser in the game, The Hindenburg has slightly better AP but it will still lose 1vs1 agaisnt a Zao 90% of the time. While a DM only has the advantage if the Zao doesn't get the alpha strike and is an idiot, while a Moskva dies all the time as they are too busy reversing away from the fight.
Des Moines: 23
Hindenburg: 27
Moskva: 17
Minotaur: 20
Shimakaze: 13
Grozovoi:  5-3=2 Unless aided by 5 other DDs this ship just does fuck all, in fact most DDs are like that but this is the worst of them.
Khabarovsk: 16 
Hakuryu: 18 

Apparently I am clearly retarded, though the last Zao i wrecked in my Hindenburg @ 90% health to my 55% health must have been a bigger one - lol.

 

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4 hours ago, BiggieD61 said:

Apparently I am clearly retarded, though the last Zao i wrecked in my Hindenburg @ 90% health to my 55% health must have been a bigger one - lol.

 

Yamato:   =  21 
Montana: 19 + 1 =20  -- Great guns, decent maneuverability. I prefer it to Yamato.
Großer Kurfürst : 25
Zao:  19 
Des Moines: 23
Hindenburg: 27
Moskva: 17
Minotaur: 20
Shimakaze: 13
Grozovoi: 2 -3 = -1 all we needed was a USSR Gearing.

 Khabarovsk: 16 
Hakuryu: 18 

 

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