Object 430U New Russian T10 Medium and medium line change

[Tupinambis 173]

The tier 9 430’s premium shell looks so insanely useless. 

Also lol didn’t they just finish giving the 416 an hd model?

[Va1heru 1,725]

Looks like the original stats posted werent with 100% crew. 

Statistics:

Tier: MT-10, USSR, standard
HP: 2 000
Engine: 600 hp
Mass: 42 t
Maximum load: 45 t
Power-to-weight: 14,29 hp / t
Max speed / Min speed: 50 / -18 km / h
Hull turning speed: 52 °/s
Turret turning speed: 39,6 °/s
Terrain resistance values: 0,575 / 0,671 / 1,534
View range: 400 m
Radio range: 730 m

Hull armor: 160 / 90 / 45 mm
Turret armor: 300 / 195 / 65 mm

Gun: 122 mm M62-T2U

Alpha Damage: 440 / 440 / 530
Penetration: 252 / 340 / 68 mm
Rounds per minute: 6,134
Damage per minute: 2 699,2
Reload time: 9,781 s
Accuracy at 100 m: 0,384
Aiming time: 2,21 s
Depression: -5

https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2017/10/14/supertest-object-430u/

[Va1heru 1,725]

42 minutes ago, Va1heru said:

Looks like the original stats posted werent with 100% crew. 

Statistics:

Tier: MT-10, USSR, standard
HP: 2 000
Engine: 600 hp
Mass: 42 t
Maximum load: 45 t
Power-to-weight: 14,29 hp / t
Max speed / Min speed: 50 / -18 km / h
Hull turning speed: 52 °/s
Turret turning speed: 39,6 °/s
Terrain resistance values: 0,575 / 0,671 / 1,534
View range: 400 m
Radio range: 730 m

Hull armor: 160 / 90 / 45 mm
Turret armor: 300 / 195 / 65 mm

Gun: 122 mm M62-T2U

Alpha Damage: 440 / 440 / 530
Penetration: 252 / 340 / 68 mm
Rounds per minute: 6,134
Damage per minute: 2 699,2
Reload time: 9,781 s
Accuracy at 100 m: 0,384
Aiming time: 2,21 s
Depression: -5

https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2017/10/14/supertest-object-430u/

So basically, worse dpm (by a minuscule ammount,) better aim time, worse accuracy, same gun dep and much better Armour compared to a 121. If they do the hidden gun stats thing, you're gonna get a better Russian 121.

[DoggieKruger 46]

>Medium tank

> Hull armor: 160 / 90 / 45 mm
Turret armor: 300 / 195 / 65 mm

Yeah just fuck the Chinese MT line. Why settle for a T-54 with a 122mm when you get the obj430 with 122mm gun or a straight up good 121. LOL

[Sprak 75]

1 hour ago, Tupinambis said:

Also lol didn’t they just finish giving the 416 an hd model?

It will probably just be removed from the tech tree, not from the game.

[Zepherex 3,641]

Can't wait for the 416 to turn into some 100$ premium package scam

[BlackAdder 1,390]

3 hours ago, Zepherex said:

Can't wait for the 416 to turn into some 100$ premium package scam

I'll trade Skorpion G.

 

[hall0 1,067]

10 hours ago, Ogopogo said:

Was designed to be a light self-propelled/assault gun, not a light tank role.

The Russians are lacking a T8 premium TD. If you know what I mean 

[tajj7 560]

12 hours ago, Ogopogo said:

Was designed to be a light self-propelled/assault gun, not a light tank role.

Its was changed to an SPG later in the design because the whole tank was too small to fire and move at the same time, it wasn't originally designed as one. The wiki says it was a medium tank project designed to be as light as possible whilst having adequate protection, which to me sounds like a light tank. 

Quote

The goal of the project was to create an entirely new tank, that would be protected as much possible while weighting as little as possible

However, this concept had severe impact on crew operation – the tank was simply too small to do anything in! Since it proved practically impossible to drive the vehicle and fire the gun simultaneously, the work on the prototype was stopped and “Object 416″ was redesigned into a self-propelled gun, receiving an official designation of SU-100M

 

[nabucodonsor 461]

Am I seeing russian spaced side armour? LOL

Ps: fuck the 160 frontal plate if you can sidescrape with 90+20 mm of sidearmour.

[DHP 501]

Can someone post the armor layout ? 

[Archaic_One 1,852]

I think the 'U' stands for "Uh, sure"

Of course 340 HEAT cuz rasha. 

At night when the T-10 dreams, THIS is what it dreams of. 

[nabucodonsor 461]

1 hour ago, Archaic_One said:

I think the 'U' stands for "Uh, sure"

Of course 340 HEAT cuz rasha. 

At night when the T-10 dreams, THIS is what it dreams of. 

121 gets the same heat pen

[hall0 1,067]

2 hours ago, DHP said:

Can someone post the armor layout ? 

 

[nabucodonsor 461]

23 minutes ago, hall0 said:

 

Ahahahhah it gets better handling than the 121, but that shell velocity....

[Fabunil 1,597]

OK, with those stats it would be broken as fuck, I expect a bif nerf before it hits the live server (Then again, I said the same thing about the T-22 and that thing hit the live server unchanged...)

Also, the base camo values are off as usual so here are the actual basevalues if someone is interested:

Stationary: 17.45%

Moving: 13.06%

 

As a comparison the current most stealthy meds:

Batchat:

Stationary: 16.87%

Moving: 12.65%

 

Object 907:

Stationary: 17.21%

Moving: 12.97%

 

Object 430:

Stationary: 17.84%

Moving: 13.40%

 

 

So yeah, some stronk soviet fantasy tank engineering going on there...

[RGM79GM 12]

Oh so it's the T-64 predecessor design in WoT, should be quite powerful then but the tier 9 gold rounds looks worthless for anything you'd want a gold round for.

[MacusFlash 2,270]

1 hour ago, Fabunil said:

OK, with those stats it would be broken as fuck, I expect a bif nerf before it hits the live server (Then again, I said the same thing about the T-22 and that thing hit the live server unchanged...)

Also, the base camo values are off as usual so here are the actual basevalues if someone is interested:

Stationary: 17.45%

Moving: 13.06%

 

As a comparison the current most stealthy meds:

Batchat:

Stationary: 16.87%

Moving: 12.65%

 

Object 907:

Stationary: 17.21%

Moving: 12.97%

 

Object 430:

Stationary: 17.84%

Moving: 13.40%

 

 

So yeah, some stronk soviet fantasy tank engineering going on there...

Sheridan 14%...

[Fabunil 1,597]

1 hour ago, MacusFlash said:

Sheridan 14%...

Sheridan is balanced because it has a less shitty gun than the other T10 lights.

Atleast according to some people

[Gryphon_ 530]

54 minutes ago, Fabunil said:

Sheridan is balanced because it has a less shitty gun than the other T10 lights.

Atleast according to some people

According to some people who've obviously never played it. The Sheridans advantage is VR, but is poor on camo, so it has no useful advantage unless passive

[kolni 69,670,761]

I don't see the need for this, 430 is unique enough as it is, the 430v2 and 416 are both great tanks that don't really need changes either. 430 is a bit worse than other RU meds but it's much easier to play as a result as well. The armour is much more forgiving which makes it a much better russian medium for plebs. The camo rating and sidescrape potential compared to the other RU meds made it a bit different to play too. 

 

With the 113, 5A and 907 now being as they are I guess it's outshined in both the russian medium role along with the heavium with dpm and gun handling meaning it lacks specialty. I don't see how replacing the 121's place in meta is a fix for this though, the whole gimmick of the chinese top tier mediums were the high alpha with decent handling, now the chinese mediums suddenly lack specialty.

[Tupinambis 173]

38 minutes ago, Kolni said:

With the 113, 5A and 907 now being as they are I guess it's outshined in both the russian medium role along with the heavium with dpm and gun handling meaning it lacks specialty. I don't see how replacing the 121's place in meta is a fix for this though, the whole gimmick of the chinese top tier mediums were the high alpha with decent handling, now the chinese mediums suddenly lack specialty.

Very conveniently, both the T-34-2 and the WZ-120 both still need HD models and, by extension, there's still an extremely good opportunity to rebalance and overhaul them. They could make the tier 8-10 Chinese med specialty high alpha/high DPM, vs the high alpha/high armor schtick that the 430U line seems to be taking. Give the WZ-120 -5 gun depression and slightly buff the reload time [and give it the same turret armor as the Type 59] and then its golden. Give the T-34-2 the Guard's higher-pen gun and better DPM and that's golden too.

[nabucodonsor 461]

2 hours ago, Kolni said:

I don't see the need for this, 430 is unique enough as it is, the 430v2 and 416 are both great tanks that don't really need changes either. 430 is a bit worse than other RU meds but it's much easier to play as a result as well. The armour is much more forgiving which makes it a much better russian medium for plebs. The camo rating and sidescrape potential compared to the other RU meds made it a bit different to play too. 

 

With the 113, 5A and 907 now being as they are I guess it's outshined in both the russian medium role along with the heavium with dpm and gun handling meaning it lacks specialty. I don't see how replacing the 121's place in meta is a fix for this though, the whole gimmick of the chinese top tier mediums were the high alpha with decent handling, now the chinese mediums suddenly lack specialty.

I believe it is part of their plan of changing russian mediums and they cant come up with an idea of making the 430 different from the 140/62a.

[Tarski 340]

Courtesy of Reddit. 

[woe2you 367]

3 hours ago, Kolni said:

I don't see the need for this, 430 is unique enough as it is, the 430v2 and 416 are both great tanks that don't really need changes either.

416 is a bit meta creeped for those of us who don't pull 5k.