tajj7 560 Share Posted January 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Fabunil said: One can only imagine how the cries of the 3 poor souls having to operate this tincan while driving on unEVEN terrain... Well considering the real one only had 2 crew, you have to fear for the third guy who is presumably hanging on for dear life on the outside somewhere. Vindi, conjay810, Fulvin and 7 others 10 Link to post Share on other sites
sohojacques 271 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Why didn't I buy the 13 57 last time it was up for sale... OperatorError and DHP 2 Link to post Share on other sites
CraBeatOff 5,741 Author Share Posted January 26, 2018 6 hours ago, CarbonWard said: Played 40 games today on a 3 and half skill crew. Not as bad as initially thought, but nevertheless, i think i can confidently im one of the better LT players on the server and im barely hitting my tier 8 LT average combined. That's my take from about the same perch. Just because we can make it work doesn't make it good. sohojacques and TAdoo87 2 Link to post Share on other sites
kolni 69,670,872 Share Posted January 26, 2018 It’s junk. Not worth the money (or your sanity) Link to post Share on other sites
CraBeatOff 5,741 Author Share Posted January 26, 2018 I'm running vstab and optics of course. Vents for 3rd. @CarbonWard what's your third piece? GLD or vents? Link to post Share on other sites
CraBeatOff 5,741 Author Share Posted January 26, 2018 WG clearly set the default Ace XP value to 2500+, because I just aced it 24hrs post release with 1900(1200 base). Ok then! Link to post Share on other sites
Dlur 2,350 Share Posted January 26, 2018 6 hours ago, tajj7 said: Well considering the real one only had 2 crew, you have to fear for the third guy who is presumably hanging on for dear life on the outside somewhere. Shovel is hand hold for 3rd crew member. Hang on! Archaic_One, CraBeatOff and tajj7 3 Link to post Share on other sites
CraBeatOff 5,741 Author Share Posted January 26, 2018 6 minutes ago, Dlur said: Shovel is hand hold for 3rd crew member. Hang on! God the shovel is ugly. The whole thing is just abominable. Surprisingly few crew deaths for the size though. Link to post Share on other sites
PlanetaryGenocide 676 Share Posted January 26, 2018 36 minutes ago, CraBeatOff said: God the shovel is ugly. The whole thing is just abominable. Surprisingly few crew deaths for the size though. It's probably because the tank's hitpoints hit 0 before the crew's do Dr_Hilarious, CraBeatOff, Dlur and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites
hazzgar 730 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Damn if only it wasn't a tier7 pretending to be a tier8 I'd get it. The camo really tempts me and I'd really like to abuse my 5 skill crew. Link to post Share on other sites
Hellsfog 249 Share Posted January 26, 2018 I bought it. I know, I know. I couldn't resist. It's just too cute. I want to dunk it in my coffee and eat it up. Tanager and Pinkamena_Kerensky 2 Link to post Share on other sites
CarbonWard 3,529 Share Posted January 26, 2018 4 hours ago, CraBeatOff said: I'm running vstab and optics of course. Vents for 3rd. @CarbonWard what's your third piece? GLD or vents? Actually, Vent+Binoc+Vstab. This way with food i have 536 VR in a bush, with ELC EVEN's movement camo, i find myself able to sneak into a good forward bush even in the middle of a firefight. Link to post Share on other sites
ikitai 15 Share Posted January 26, 2018 (edited) As a permagreen shitter who has flashes of ok in OP tanks, this looks like fun to try to relive the days of passive scouting that were dying as I joined the game those many years ago. Love the idea of Vent + Binoc + VStab. Hell I even have a spare Vstab from the recent equipment sale. Also enjoyed the min-max hull-only paint in the video earlier in the thread. Some level of latent OCD has kept me from doing that on all my tanks except the Obj 430 II. Good bye $30 hello WN8 and WR crash. (At least I got in on the 13 57 back in the day) Edited January 26, 2018 by ikitai Added equip sale and minor grammar in the parenthetical comment Dr_Hilarious 1 Link to post Share on other sites
CraBeatOff 5,741 Author Share Posted January 26, 2018 5 minutes ago, ikitai said: As a permagreen shitter who has flashes of ok in OP tanks, this looks like fun to try to relive the days of passive scouting that were dying as I joined the game those many years ago. Love the idea of Vent + Binoc + VStab. Hell I even have a spare Vstab from the recent equipment sale. Also enjoyed the min-max hull-only paint in the video earlier in the thread. Some level of latent OCD has kept me from doing that on all my tanks except the Obj 430 II. Good bye $30 hello WN8 and WR crash. (At least I got in on the 13 57 back in the day) Haha, the paint is free, I just figured its so fucking ugly, why not roll with it? ikitai 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Treeburst 77 Share Posted January 26, 2018 What are the odds of this thing ending up as a tech tree premium? Link to post Share on other sites
CraBeatOff 5,741 Author Share Posted January 26, 2018 3 marked at 95 battles. I had a funky run of games in the late 70s through the 80s where i won a lot with 1500 combined. I also had a great game where i fell between two rail cars on Ensk. Silly fucking bullshit. Value seems to be around 3200 but will likely fall after the early adopters are done. As usual @CarbonWard is spot on. This tank has enough camo that binos let's you do absurd things. Since it's camo is so high you can active spot sufficiently with just the vents/vr skills and food. This gets you shy of 445 on the move. But because you're so damned small and stealthy you can afford to stop and activate those binos to just burn everyone's camo to the ground. This also makes it kind of unique and fun - it becomes a game of inventing spotting lanes and positions. And the size really opens up fun new options. I'm going to really enjoy taking this out with a good platoonmate in the S1/Skorp. So is it good? I think so...in it's niche. I've been able to solo it at 70% (full apcr caveat) and it's made a new minigame of finding lanes bushes and cover. Don't buy it to earn. Don't buy it to run n gun. Don't buy it expecting it to work like the AMX 13s. But if vision games and being tiny seem amusing to you...it could be worth $31. Link to post Share on other sites
Archaic_One 1,853 Share Posted January 26, 2018 monjardin, graukatze, OperatorError and 11 others 14 Link to post Share on other sites
PlanetaryGenocide 676 Share Posted January 27, 2018 3 hours ago, CraBeatOff said: 3 marked at 95 battles. I had a funky run of games in the late 70s through the 80s where i won a lot with 1500 combined. I also had a great game where i fell between two rail cars on Ensk. Silly fucking bullshit. Value seems to be around 3200 but will likely fall after the early adopters are done. As usual @CarbonWard is spot on. This tank has enough camo that binos let's you do absurd things. Since it's camo is so high you can active spot sufficiently with just the vents/vr skills and food. This gets you shy of 445 on the move. But because you're so damned small and stealthy you can afford to stop and activate those binos to just burn everyone's camo to the ground. This also makes it kind of unique and fun - it becomes a game of inventing spotting lanes and positions. And the size really opens up fun new options. I'm going to really enjoy taking this out with a good platoonmate in the S1/Skorp. So is it good? I think so...in it's niche. I've been able to solo it at 70% (full apcr caveat) and it's made a new minigame of finding lanes bushes and cover. Don't buy it to earn. Don't buy it to run n gun. Don't buy it expecting it to work like the AMX 13s. But if vision games and being tiny seem amusing to you...it could be worth $31. At first thought that does sound appealing to me but then i realize I don't really enjoy sitting in a bush that often anymore maybe i'll get lucky and win one somehow Link to post Share on other sites
crapcannon 67 Share Posted January 27, 2018 This thing looks like it would be a spotting nightmare for the enemy on large maps like Prok & Live Oaks but completely useless on small maps like Ensk, Mines & Sacred Valley. Link to post Share on other sites
MagicalFlyingFox 1,022 Share Posted January 27, 2018 8 hours ago, CraBeatOff said: and it's made a new minigame of finding lanes bushes and cover. Oh god, I do that with the UDES and find it hilarious. Must... resist... Link to post Share on other sites
CraBeatOff 5,741 Author Share Posted January 27, 2018 5 hours ago, crapcannon said: This thing looks like it would be a spotting nightmare for the enemy on large maps like Prok & Live Oaks but completely useless on small maps like Ensk, Mines & Sacred Valley. It's still got an autoloader and can hide behind anything. See replays! Link to post Share on other sites
nabucodonsor 461 Share Posted January 27, 2018 This thing will be a nightmare to face in tier 8 CWs.... Link to post Share on other sites
crapcannon 67 Share Posted January 27, 2018 1 hour ago, CraBeatOff said: It's still got an autoloader and can hide behind anything. See replays! Yeah I saw that one YouTube replay. They were pretty damn close! Link to post Share on other sites
Felicius 170 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Why it has a worse gun than pre-nerf ELC AMX? And sees tier X all the time? 248 APCR would still keep it underpowered, but more tolerable. CraBeatOff 1 Link to post Share on other sites
CraBeatOff 5,741 Author Share Posted January 28, 2018 (edited) http://wotreplays.eu/site/4126682#serene_coast-crabeatoff-elc_even_90 This is a replay that nicely highlights the myriad silly bullshit of the ELC EVEN. I open with a "scout run" that would be suicide in most tanks. I outspot an LTTB despite only having 427 moving view range and he dies. I see the T49 coming so i duck into the rock. For a reasonable sized tank that rock is barely adequate cover but for the ELC it's huge. 9 depression works nicely for clipping into the T49 and again I can hide behind the rock. With those two dead middle is mine. This is the point in the game that made me select this replay though. I'm sitting 280m away from the FV4202 unspotted and using a laughably small bush to spot the arty, JpE and S1. It's completely silly bullshit. After that it's just standard LT brawling aided by having autoloader spike. And a yolo to get an Orliks for bonds. http://wotreplays.eu/site/4127603#fjords-crabeatoff-elc_even_90 Here is some more silly bullshit. My opener is glorious but only 1 of my 3 bushwankers has any brains. If the other two had positioned correctly the game would have been effectively over by the third minute. Instead i have to drag them and drag them. But this is another game that really showcases what the camo, size and spike can do. Everything is cover and every bush is a spotting bush. Edited January 28, 2018 by sr360 Added link to videos tajj7 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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