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18 hours ago, monjardin said:

However, it does make me feel like a fool for grinding out an Object 260. It’s a much better heavium. 

The 260 became kinda obsolete when they buffed the 113 and especially after they introduced the tier 10 WZ-1111!1.

Those 2 tanks now became obsolete after the introduction of the 430U.

If anything, you can expect the 430U to become obsolete after they are going to introduce the buffed Object 777 or whatever else Murazas mad mind can come up with that is going to come after the T-10.

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1 hour ago, Fabunil said:

The 260 became kinda obsolete when they buffed the 113 and especially after they introduced the tier 10 WZ-1111!1.

Those 2 tanks now became obsolete after the introduction of the 430U.

If anything, you can expect the 430U to become obsolete after they are going to introduce the buffed Object 777 or whatever else Murazas mad mind can come up with that is going to come after the T-10.

People keep saying that the 430U makes the 113 obsolete. I'm looking forward to seeing if it pans out that way in CW.

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Here are two VOD's (not mine, just to clarify :kappa:) of a 100 games with 5150 avg dmg, 76% WR and 3 marks after 96 IIRC, in case anyone's interested. They are 8 and 5 hours long so probably not something you want to watch whole.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/226893273

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/227210523

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6 hours ago, monjardin said:

People keep saying that the 430U makes the 113 obsolete. I'm looking forward to seeing if it pans out that way in CW.

we have been using the 430U's in CW today by having them run with 5A's and they work well, they cant really keep up with 907/140's though.

 

7 hours ago, Fabunil said:

The 260 became kinda obsolete when they buffed the 113 and especially after they introduced the tier 10 WZ-1111!1.

Those 2 tanks now became obsolete after the introduction of the 430U.

If anything, you can expect the 430U to become obsolete after they are going to introduce the buffed Object 777 or whatever else Murazas mad mind can come up with that is going to come after the T-10.

i could easily see the 777 replacing the 430U, its already faster (at least on paper) and if they buff its armor it will just be a more meaty 430U in terms of HP and armor with better mobility but a shitter gun (providing they don't buff they gun further)

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1 hour ago, Deus__Ex__Machina said:

i could easily see the 777 replacing the 430U, its already faster (at least on paper) and if they buff its armor it will just be a more meaty 430U in terms of HP and armor with better mobility but a shitter gun (providing they don't buff they gun further)

Wait a second.

Looking up 777 gave me the old FTR page.

" Radio: RTU “Yasen” "

I can smell the KanColle Sendai references coming already (the "Yasen Baka" refers to her enthusiasm for Night Battle in her lines...)

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On 8.02.2018 at 1:01 PM, hall0 said:

So if the borderline OP SConq and 5A is now the new standard for being balanced I think we crossed a line. 

Heres+what+i+think+_78fecbe4241d397324d7

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This is going to be a right pita to 3mark isn't it? My MoE mod states 4600 combined for Mark 1...

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On 12/02/2018 at 1:04 AM, Lethul said:

This is going to be a right pita to 3mark isn't it? My MoE mod states 4600 combined for Mark 1...

You are looking at 6.1/6.3k to raise the mark near 93-95%

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5 hours ago, ogremage said:

So is it better, worse or "as good but different" compared to the Obj 907?

You’re asking an extremely generic question.

It’s much slower with lower DPM. The side armor seems a bit less troll too. They are very different tanks.

If you want to hold a hull down position in a slow game, then the 430U is better. If you need to rush and focus down tanks, then I would think that a blob of 907s is better. 

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Can I expect similar amount of fires, when hit in LP, as with 430?

Would be nice to run food instead of AFE.

 

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I found the 430U to lose it's ammo rack and fuel tank quite regularly, so I wouldn't run food unless you run the ff directive, which is fine to do especially at tier 10 as most games you'll still make bonds.

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Ideas for rebalancing this tank? I've got one, and while I had a pair of potato games in it I could tell that it wasn't the tank's fault. They're tough to deal with even in 10s, if they're hulldown you're basically screwed.

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Honestly, I think the easiest way to rebalance it would be really simple, give it a pennable commanders hatch.  Its got one, but its pure 110E3 style bait.  If the hatch was E5 thickness at least you could aim and pen it.  

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9 hours ago, FavreFan4ever said:

Ideas for rebalancing this tank? I've got one, and while I had a pair of potato games in it I could tell that it wasn't the tank's fault. They're tough to deal with even in 10s, if they're hulldown you're basically screwed.

Nerf either speed or mobility. Then buff accuracy and cut down DPM to E5 levels. It needs to be more of a heavy and less of a hovermed.

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6 hours ago, lavawing said:

Nerf either speed or mobility. Then buff accuracy and cut down DPM to E5 levels. It needs to be more of a heavy and less of a hovermed.

But it is a med and it would be a worse 113. The best way would be to weaken the hull and make it work only hull down or vs t8s. 

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8 hours ago, hazzgar said:

But it is a med and it would be a worse 113. The best way would be to weaken the hull and make it work only hull down or vs t8s. 

True, that slipped my mind. Still, the 113 is an absolute bus compared to the 430U. Even if both its gun and mobility were nerfed to be worse than on the 113, it would remain, at least in my estimation, a hugely competitive tank just by being ridiculously good at avoiding/blocking damage - and that comes from armour, and it comes from camo, and size. 

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Just played my first game in it. 0.38 dispersion...:kappa::serb: Hardly surprising after the uncanny accuracy of the tier 9 though.

 

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Has this thing been nerfed? Any plans to nerf? I'm not complaining, just curious. If you can't beat em' join 'em. Just started the T9 grind - knowing my luck it'll be dead somehow by the time I get it. Happens every time I decide to finally grind a new line for a meta tank. In this case, who doesn't have a T44 unlocked though? I should have done this way sooner. The t9 is fun. Sluggish, but also a slugger. So far enjoying it. Starts with the top gun - unusual and nice for once.

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41 minutes ago, GotTank said:

Has this thing been nerfed? Any plans to nerf? I'm not complaining, just curious. If you can't beat em' join 'em. Just started the T9 grind - knowing my luck it'll be dead somehow by the time I get it. Happens every time I decide to finally grind a new line for a meta tank. In this case, who doesn't have a T44 unlocked though? I should have done this way sooner. The t9 is fun. Sluggish, but also a slugger. So far enjoying it. Starts with the top gun - unusual and nice for once.

Yes, now gets average to below average bloom and cupolas that can be reliably penned.......by tier 10 gold.

It's still the only tech tree answer to the Chieftain T95 abomination:s the 277 lacks raw power, the 5A doesn't have enough armour, and the Sconq is too slow + weak turret against gold. The IS-7 has a similar role but trades DPM, pen and camo for stupid snap capabilties and stronger all round armour.

Is it still good? Yes. The cupola nerf isn't too noticeable and the bloom nerf can be counteracted by cruise control. You get matched against tier 10 meds and are pretty much straight out superior to all of them except STB/UDES/LEO

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57 minutes ago, GotTank said:

Has this thing been nerfed? Any plans to nerf? I'm not complaining, just curious. If you can't beat em' join 'em. Just started the T9 grind - knowing my luck it'll be dead somehow by the time I get it. Happens every time I decide to finally grind a new line for a meta tank. In this case, who doesn't have a T44 unlocked though? I should have done this way sooner. The t9 is fun. Sluggish, but also a slugger. So far enjoying it. Starts with the top gun - unusual and nice for once.

It got nerfed this patch, dispersion nerf and a slight nerf to the cupola. Basically nothing. It should still be an excellent tank since what stood out about it was its easy-to-use armor that can't be contested unless you 2-2 or were a tier 10 TD.

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