Tier X Polsky - the Levandowsky

[nabucodonsor 461]

So WG is now testing the Polish tanks trying to milk their Polish player base, with a 750 alpha 2,6kHP and 2,4k dpm!!! (which was nerfed from the previous 2,5k same as the E5...as if 100dpm matters). Dispersion is not that bad (look at the turret rotation 0,096 on a 152mm gun) and with 8 degrees of gun depression it should comfortable enough.

Practically a E100 with a turret that does not seem to be 2-2 pen. 

The crap part of it is the terrible 317 HEAT pen and bad power to weight, but good news it gets 1,1k HE dmg. Just like the old tds. Which means you can spam it and get 400-500 dmg if you are lucky enough.

The armour looks strong but there is maybe a weakspot as it has a central view port, probably to allow Russian player to remind Polish players that Poland is just Russia's garden.

https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2018/06/22/supertest-60tp-lewandowskiego-updated-stats/#more-64620

Thoughts?

[Fulcrous 2,073]

317 heat isn't bad per se. The 7201 was really strong with 314 HEAT before it was buffed to 350.

[mati_14 129]

Just now, Fulcrous said:

317 heat isn't bad per se. The 7201 was really strong with 314 HEAT before it was buffed to 350.

314? how long ago was that?

[BlitzReaper 7]

Stats seem like it's a better E100 in almost every regard with less weaknesses

My E100

[hall0 1,095]

This made up tank will keep powercreeping existing tanks. 750 alpha with Russian style turret and good gun depression. Laughable. 

But hey, let's wait for release. Obj 277 got nerfed hard without its nerfed stats were tested. Maybe the release version will be completely different. 

[flare_phoenix 369]

6 hours ago, Fulcrous said:

317 heat isn't bad per se. The 7201 was really strong with 314 HEAT before it was buffed to 350.

Unless I'm missing something painfully obvious the VK always had 334 heat, same as E100. iirc 705a has around 317 heat. 

This tank looks interesting enough with the alpha/depression but I'll need to know more about the armor profile & how slow it is with those terrain resistances to render judgment on it. 

[ZXrage 1,318]

t-the E5 will be a relevant heavy again guis, p-promise

I feel like theres just too much going on for this vehicle. Low, good gun dep and Russian turret, hits hard. The DPM wouldnt even be much of a problem, since peek-a-booming is more prominent these days, and alpha is more relevant in that fight. 314 HEAT pen is pretty workable too, thats like 280-ish AP pen

[Fulcrous 2,073]

12 hours ago, mati_14 said:

314? how long ago was that?

 

7 hours ago, flare_phoenix said:

Unless I'm missing something painfully obvious the VK always had 334 heat, same as E100. iirc 705a has around 317 heat. 

This tank looks interesting enough with the alpha/depression but I'll need to know more about the armor profile & how slow it is with those terrain resistances to render judgment on it. 

My mistake. I was thinking about the PZ7 with its ~315 APCR and mistook it for the 7201 to have lower heat.

705A has 317 heat and it works. The accuracy is just aids.

[nabucodonsor 461]

2 hours ago, ZXrage said:

t-the E5 will be a relevant heavy again guis, p-promise

I feel like theres just too much going on for this vehicle. Low, good gun dep and Russian turret, hits hard. The DPM wouldnt even be much of a problem, since peek-a-booming is more prominent these days, and alpha is more relevant in that fight. 314 HEAT pen is pretty workable too, thats like 280-ish AP pen

I dont understand why they cant make serious balancing decisions. I think they are capable enough to do so by looking at Blitz. Tanks there seem to be more balanced (the E5 for example has a smaller and stronger cupola and the Leo seems fine): they have lowered the alpha, have removed premium rounds, less rng, less pen ect. Plus equipement and crews are more custumizable (not the usuall shit). They just need to copy paste some ideas and try to readapt those that do not really work for a 15v15 with so many tanks in the tech tree.

Sure they will make mistakes and will have to make some fixes but at least it would be a step in the right direction and almost effortless as they already have it ready.

This situation is ridicule. But maybe I am wrong as I havent played blitz in years.

[leggasiini 1,567]

Maaan, so many times I wanted to make a thread but then always kept forgetting, glad someone went in and did one

Armor layout (skip to 3:00):

 

So basically:

* UFP is super though, driver hatch however is 260 effective

* LFP is cheese but well angled so maybe it could be autoricochet from right angle

* entire side is 100 and it seems to lack Russkie bullshit space

* turret is ridiculously tough

* there is a hole on the mantlet but its probably when shot from at an angle instead directly from front

* cupola is there but its smol

* turret roof overmatchable by 152mm guns

Armor looks solid enough. Thing is tho is that it has 2.6k HP + -8 dep + okay reverse speed + 750 alpha so armor not being perfect is fine. It also has good accuracy for that massive alpha, so 317 HEAT is not as much pain in the ass as on the 705A. It also gets dank HE. Hulldown tank with ability to spank good HE is scary, as that kind of thing will smack SConqs away from hulldown positions better than anything else. It seems slow, though, but thats fine. Even E 100 levels of mobility wouldnt be too bad, and this thing is supposedly still more mobile than the E 100.

RIP 705A, this thing is basically just better, but then again, the 705A does have issues, so its not that bad. 705A has speed advantage...I guess?

Visually it looks super dope but autistic at the same time. I fucking love it. I’m super excited for it. It seems very fun to play for me.

Tier 9 seems super broken with 560 alpha and 2.5k DPM tho, but im pretty sure that DPM is a placeholder

[hazzgar 730]

While it will not be a CW stomper this is a really strong pub tank. 317 heat is enough to pen the jap heavies. Not as reliable as stronger heat but still works

[tajj7 560]

I think it'll get toned down, maybe even before public test. But I have hope on this based on the 277 getting nerfed, plus WG can pretty much put a turd out as a tank and if it's got a Polish flag on it they'll all rush to free XP it anyway so no real need for this thing to be OP/powercreep.

Also generally anything with a weak lower plate will perform worse for most players, than something which is harder to pen by lower tiers and in the open. i.e Super Conq.

I mean I have seen plenty of whines about the 705 not having good armour when it has close to an IS7 turret and like a 250 effective upper plate. 

 

 

[leggasiini 1,567]

Hard to say yet, the mobility seems poor and it has weakspots, and 317 HEAT, while workable, is still somewhat limiting. I dont feel like it will get toned down, it doesnt seem gamebreaking other than the fact the HE is kinda broken, and if it gets toned down, there is a risk of it becoming crap. Its quite unique and offers a new kind of playstyle, so it doesnt really have a direct competitor, except maybe the E 100, but even then this is more a hulldown vehicle than sidescraper. Pre-nerf 277 being too good was very easy to see because the tank was, and still is very comparable to the 5A. It was better than the 5A and 5A already is arguably toned a bit too high. E 100 in return is definitely not even close to be OP; its closer to be too weak than too good (the tank itself is balanced, but the powerlevel getting higher ofc makes the tank indirectly weaker and weaker), so it being overall stronger than the E 100 is likely not a bad thing in WG’s eyes. And like said, it wont powercreep the E 100 because the playstyle is different. E 100 has much better HEAT, too, so as long as it has that advantage, it should be fine.

I can see HE getting nerfed to 950, but thats about it.

[hazzgar 730]

5 hours ago, tajj7 said:

I think it'll get toned down, maybe even before public test. But I have hope on this based on the 277 getting nerfed, plus WG can pretty much put a turd out as a tank and if it's got a Polish flag on it they'll all rush to free XP it anyway so no real need for this thing to be OP/powercreep.

Also generally anything with a weak lower plate will perform worse for most players, than something which is harder to pen by lower tiers and in the open. i.e Super Conq.

I mean I have seen plenty of whines about the 705 not having good armour when it has close to an IS7 turret and like a 250 effective upper plate. 

 

 

Yeah but if this tank is good the Polish community will be hooked much longer. Plus they may even hope to milk some new players.  I agree that to make people free exp they can release a polish flag loltractor at t10 and they would still do it and WG is not thinking long term so they will probably make it meh rather than OP. 

On the other hand they listen to idiotic russian opinions about tanks so they may also listen to idiotic polish opinions about tanks

[InconnuGlitterBoy 22]

It's "Polski" and "Lewandowski".

 

SCNR!

 

Yes, I am Polish, I want to be milked and I refuse to play the Russian/OP/bias/whatever stuff.

 

[hazzgar 730]

40 minutes ago, ICameForFame said:

It's "Polski" and "Lewandowski".

 

SCNR!

 

Yes, I am Polish, I want to be milked and I refuse to play the Russian/OP/bias/whatever stuff.

 

Then just buy shitty Polish Patriotic Right Wing moronic clothing

[InconnuGlitterBoy 22]

23 minutes ago, hazzgar said:

Then just buy shitty Polish Patriotic Right Wing moronic clothing

A pixel tank will suffice :).

I wear BOSS .

[Fabunil 1,597]

On 6/25/2018 at 9:47 AM, tajj7 said:

I think it'll get toned down, maybe even before public test. But I have hope on this based on the 277 getting nerfed, plus WG can pretty much put a turd out as a tank and if it's got a Polish flag on it they'll all rush to free XP it anyway so no real need for this thing to be OP/powercreep.

The same developer that tested out the 268 V4 on the testserver and decided that it needed a buff before the release?

[hazzgar 730]

4 hours ago, ICameForFame said:

A pixel tank will suffice :).

I wear BOSS .

Boss has anything fashionable besides mediocre suits? Unless you mean you wear those plastic bags with "Hugo Boss" on them so many polish people use on bazaars

[tajj7 560]

14 hours ago, Fabunil said:

The same developer that tested out the 268 V4 on the testserver and decided that it needed a buff before the release?

Wasn't Murazor demoted after the Bobject/430U and before the 277 & K-91?

That is why I said 'hope', I am hoping the K-91 and 277 signify a different direction from the balance team. 

[leggasiini 1,567]

1 hour ago, tajj7 said:

Wasn't Murazor demoted after the Bobject/430U and before the 277 & K-91?

That is why I said 'hope', I am hoping the K-91 and 277 signify a different direction from the balance team. 

He is still part of the balance team IIRC, just doenst have as significant role anymore.

I dont know, with weakspots, weak side, shit pen and bad mobility, this thing doesnt seem too powerful, but like said earlier, I cant tell too much.

[tajj7 560]

22 hours ago, leggasiini said:

He is still part of the balance team IIRC, just doenst have as significant role anymore.

I dont know, with weakspots, weak side, shit pen and bad mobility, this thing doesnt seem too powerful, but like said earlier, I cant tell too much.

I thought he'd become Slava's assistant or something, and was working on something else that wasn't balance or new tanks (like a new mode or something) 

[leggasiini 1,567]

12 hours ago, tajj7 said:

I thought he'd become Slava's assistant or something, and was working on something else that wasn't balance or new tanks (like a new mode or something) 

Yeah, I think that was it.

[nabucodonsor 461]

On 6/28/2018 at 9:49 AM, tajj7 said:

I thought he'd become Slava's assistant or something, and was working on something else that wasn't balance or new tanks (like a new mode or something) 

Yes that is what I heard too

[EndlessAgony 129]

On 6/24/2018 at 9:46 PM, nabucodonsor said:

-snip-

You are mostly correct.

Penetration RNG was reduced to 15%, prem ammo damage is 15-20% less than regular ammo, the MM is only +/- 1, the maps aren't as much of corridorshit. There are still some issues within the game with balancing, but they are not as pronounced - the pinnacle of OP-ness at tier ten is IS-4 for having a buffed UFP that some tanks have problem penning from direct front. Yeah.  

 

In general, the balancing is much better overall with less powercreep from new tanks and other garbage like that. As for the Leo 1 which was mentioned - it is actually very popular for pubstomping from what I had seen, especially after the prem ammo nerf. I don't have it yet, nor did I have it in large WoT, so I can't comment more on it. It's not that popular in CW tho, but it was sometimes used as a scout before Batchat 25t was introduced a while back.

And the most important thing of all: ARTY_WAS_NEVER_IN_THE_GAME

That is not to say the devs don't screw up - they created a new equipment system a while back and saddled it with timers skippable with gold that made you wait 30 days for unlocking all slots at tier X and the slots could be only unlocked by some retarded hard-to-getium currency much like bonds - but you had to use it for regular equipment, not improved, but after tons of moaning removed that crap recently and even gave us cheaper gold packs to appease us. Also, general pricing is much better - tech tree T8 prems cost 7200-7600 gold regardless of class. The non-gold economy is much better as well, payouts of XP and creds are pretty good and with prem time, it's fairly easy to get a decent amount of credits even in tier X battles.

The only glaring issue the game still has is abundance of lootbox garbage, using them to sell new premiums with shitty % chance to get one. However, even this has been improving recently and they have started selling them directly about two months after the lootboxes.

 

It never ceases to amaze me how they can have a decent 'mobile' game with bearable pricing and game not infested by P2W garbage while the large PC game reminds me more of Dungeon Keeper Mobile with every new patch. The only thing missing at this point are the timers, though at least those are unlikely after the outrage they caused with Blitz players. Then again, this is WG we are talking about...

TL;DR: Blitz > WoT