First campaign tank buffs (T-55A, 260)

[Vindi 410]

 

[zbran 50]

They buffed the T55A?!?... Ok I wasn't aware there was something wrong with it, fenks Serb.

 

 

[Ham_ 350]

Gotta compensate for that pen creep

[lavawing 307]

Obj 260: aka how to power creep the 277 and IS7 instantly

[Fabunil 1,596]

3 hours ago, zbran said:

They buffed the T55A?!?... Ok I wasn't aware there was something wrong with it, fenks Serb.

Ehh, it was a shity version of the T-54 even before they buffed it.

[zbran 50]

1 hour ago, Fabunil said:

Ehh, it was a shity version of the T-54 even before they buffed it.

I would agree with that, but the T55A is a prem, and to be fair most tier 9's are shite compared to the T54. It looks like it's getting a significant speed buff for a couple of insignificant nerffs, along with an armor buff. What do the experts think?

[MacusFlash 2,265]

[Ezz 1,694]

Give the 55a the accurate gun and pen from the 54, but with better dpm. Trade off being it keeps the worse hull armor. 

[Fulcrous 2,055]

26 minutes ago, Ezz said:

Give the 55a the accurate gun and pen from the 54, but with better dpm. Trade off being it keeps the worse hull armor. 

Signficantly worse turret

[Ezz 1,694]

10 minutes ago, Fulcrous said:

Signficantly worse turret

Yeah meant in addition to the turret armor changes listed above.

With 200 pen it will remain very  expensive to play given how much heat  you need. 

[kariverson 157]

Hahaha we came full circle! When it was first released it was considered OP and now it was power creeped so much it is actually getting buffed! Crazy! 

[MagicalFlyingFox 922]

Didn't it go from 'OP' to 'hang on, this is just a worse T-54' in the span of like 3 months?

[sohojacques 238]

32 minutes ago, MagicalFlyingFox said:

Didn't it go from 'OP' to 'hang on, this is just a worse T-54' in the span of like 3 months?

Was that when the 54 got it’s turret buffed and the 55a didn’t?

[Ezz 1,694]

12 minutes ago, sohojacques said:

Was that when the 54 got it’s turret buffed and the 55a didn’t?

They also fiddled with the guns and gave the more accurate one better pen (and handling maybe? Not sure on handling tho). 

[Rexxie 10,591]

55A has always been inferior to the T-54, it was an insignificant amount gunhandling vs having an actual hull before the T-54 got buffed. At no point was hitting one in a few hundred shots more often worth the tradeoff of being frontally immune to a whole extra tier's AP. The 55A just has a serious case of the SU-122-54: it's sexy as hell so who cares.

I see WG isn't quite done making more tanks proof against -1/-2 tier standard ammo. 

 

[sohojacques 238]

49 minutes ago, Rexxie said:

I see WG isn't quite done making more tanks proof against -1/-2 tier standard ammo. 

 

Yep +2/-2 MM is getting more fun with every patch: get thrashed most of the time by higher grades while grinding up a line with the occasional chance to beat on lower grades as a consolation. English boarding school game design.

[hazzgar 565]

20 hours ago, lavawing said:

Obj 260: aka how to power creep the 277 and IS7 instantly

Wait what? It still has worse armor than is7 and worse gun than 277

[lavawing 307]

38 minutes ago, hazzgar said:

Wait what? It still has worse armor than is7 and worse gun than 277

It looks like it will lose the roof weakspot, mantlet becomes ultrastrong, better bloom, DPM, aimtime and accuracy than both IS-7 and 277. In short, basically only slightly less survivable than IS-7, with 277 speed and basically equal gun.

[hazzgar 565]

3 hours ago, lavawing said:

It looks like it will lose the roof weakspot, mantlet becomes ultrastrong, better bloom, DPM, aimtime and accuracy than both IS-7 and 277. In short, basically only slightly less survivable than IS-7, with 277 speed and basically equal gun.

Doesn't 277 reload like 11.9s for 490 not 440 alpha? Also the obj platform is awkward as hell. Those changes aren't huge yet 277 feels good while obj feels super frustrating and it's not only because turret armor. 

[snowdude21325 62]

1 hour ago, hazzgar said:

Doesn't 277 reload like 11.9s for 490 not 440 alpha? Also the obj platform is awkward as hell. Those changes aren't huge yet 277 feels good while obj feels super frustrating and it's not only because turret armor. 

But the difference in dpm currently is less than 100 and the 260 can also reliable hit its shots at range.

The 260 turret armor was also very frustrating because there was nothing you could do when someone pressed 2, they ripped your turret apart if you poked. Now, you have a much better chance to bounce their shots. Yes the platform is semi-awkward, but that mobility will allow you to get to better suited positions and micro position yourself much better than a 277. 

Will the 260 replace the 277? No. They are not competing for the same slice of the pie, but slicing up the pie into even smaller bits. Such as when the 5a was added, then the 277, now the 260 is taking it's piece of the heavium pie.

 

 

[Ham_ 350]

5 hours ago, lavawing said:

It looks like it will lose the roof weakspot, mantlet becomes ultrastrong, better bloom, DPM, aimtime and accuracy than both IS-7 and 277. In short, basically only slightly less survivable than IS-7, with 277 speed and basically equal gun.

Better gun stats don't matter much between the tanks because for some fucking reason IS-7 went from meme to UFO, so that they all more or less get the same job done, only at different speeds

[lavawing 307]

8 hours ago, hazzgar said:

Doesn't 277 reload like 11.9s for 490 not 440 alpha? Also the obj platform is awkward as hell. Those changes aren't huge yet 277 feels good while obj feels super frustrating and it's not only because turret armor. 

Those changes actually have the effect of giving the 122mm Soviet supertech softstats and the hard stats of a NATO 120mm. The 260 has APCR as standard so there's a pretty good argument that the 260 is better than the 277 at range, while still having that 340 pen HEAT for overarmoured targets which are like half the tanks you'll be facing.

6 hours ago, Ham_ said:

Better gun stats don't matter much between the tanks because for some fucking reason IS-7 went from meme to UFO, so that they all more or less get the same job done, only at different speeds

The IS-7 stills stalls beyond the 30 km/h mark. I did some testing before and it accelerates 1/2 the speed compared to the 277 once it reaches 30 km/h. The 260 from what I've seen goes 45-ish comfortably. Also the IS-7 has some problems against heavily armoured targets like Sconqs and Types and Badgers and E3s and 113Gs and even AMX 54s whereas the HEAT round on the 277/260 can just cheese them.

7 hours ago, snowdude21325 said:

Will the 260 replace the 277? No. They are not competing for the same slice of the pie, but slicing up the pie into even smaller bits. Such as when the 5a was added, then the 277, now the 260 is taking it's piece of the heavium pie.

IMO if the 277 was the middle point between the IS-7 and the 5A, then the 260 is the middle point between the IS-7 and 277. But while the 277 is neither as armoured as the IS-7 or has as much firepower as the 5A, the new 260 is nearly there armourwise compared to the IS-7, and with arguably equivalent firepower and mobility to the 277.

agreed that 260 won't replace 277 or IS-7, but thats not because the 277 is still better in some way, but cuz the personal missions are a bitch and not enough people have the 260.

 

[hazzgar 565]

4 hours ago, lavawing said:

Those changes actually have the effect of giving the 122mm Soviet supertech softstats and the hard stats of a NATO 120mm. The 260 has APCR as standard so there's a pretty good argument that the 260 is better than the 277 at range, while still having that 340 pen HEAT for overarmoured targets which are like half the tanks you'll be facing.

 

 

The gun is good but those changes are not that big. Obj gun felt like a potato canon more than it should because of how weird the tank was. I get that in some ways its better than 277 but you make it like those changes are huge while in reality the gun performance buff doesn't completely transform the gun

[hall0 1,032]

Not to forget that having APCR as standard is good on paper. But after all the armor buffs we had during the last years this APCR feels just meh. Against many T10s you have HEAT loaded anyway. 

[lavawing 307]

40 minutes ago, hazzgar said:

The gun is good but those changes are not that big. Obj gun felt like a potato canon more than it should because of how weird the tank was. I get that in some ways its better than 277 but you make it like those changes are huge while in reality the gun performance buff doesn't completely transform the gun

to me the changes are pretty huge: better bloom than an IS-7 + better hard stats than a 277 = best in class gun handling (other than Sconq and 215B). It's a pretty good gun for a platform whose only real weaknesses are size and clunkiness.