December 2018 Map Elimination

**Ham_** · December 20, 2018

Let's find out what maps people actually like and which are the pinnacle of wargaming shit map design.

Abbey - 15
Cliff - 15
Empire's Border - 15
Ensk - 15
Fisherman's Bay - 15
Fjords - 15
Highway - 15
Himmelsdorf - 15
Karelia - 15
Lakeville - 15
Live Oaks - 15
Malinovka - 15
Mines - 15
Minsk - 15
Mountain Pass - 15
Murovanka - 15
Overlord - 15
Paris - 15
Pilsen - 15
Prokhorovka - 15
Province - 15
Redshire - 15
Ruinberg - 15
Serene Coast - 15
Siegfried Line - 15
Steppes - 15
Studzianki - 15
Tundra - 15
Westfield - 15
Widepark - 15
Erlenberg - 15
Mannerheim Line - 15
Glacier - 15
Airfield - 15
El Halluf - 15
Sand River - 15

Link to remind yourself what each map is: http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Maps

Rules:

One +1 votes

Two -3 votes

Once a Day

My votes:

Abbey - 15
Cliff - 15
Empire's Border - 15
Ensk - 15
Fisherman's Bay - 15
Fjords - 15
Highway - 15
Himmelsdorf - 15
Karelia - 15
Lakeville - 15
Live Oaks - 15
Malinovka - 15
Mines - 15
Minsk - 15
Mountain Pass - 15
Murovanka - 15
Overlord - 15
Paris - 12 (-3) This map is complete cancer when you are bottom tier. 90% of the map can be covered by TDs and every lane is a corridor. Heavies are exposed when they move to the brawling area from TDs in spawn. The left side of the map is a complete arty and camp fest.
Pilsen - 15
Prokhorovka - 15
Province - 15
Redshire - 15
Ruinberg - 15
Serene Coast - 15
Siegfried Line - 12 (-3) Tanks in the north spawn can push into the little garden surrounded by buildings in the middle and deny the south any map control in the city in this retarded hull down spot.
Steppes - 16 (+1) This map has some very nice dynamic pushes on the flanks where you can set up crossfires that I enjoy playing , because I always know I can have a sexy game.
Studzianki - 15
Tundra - 15
Westfield - 15
Widepark - 15
Erlenberg - 15
Mannerheim Line - 15
Glacier - 15
Airfield - 15
El Halluf - 15
Sand River - 15

**Tarski** · December 20, 2018

Abbey - 15
Cliff - 15
Empire's Border - 15
Ensk - 15
Fisherman's Bay - 15
Fjords - 15
Highway - 15
Himmelsdorf - 15
Karelia - 15
Lakeville - 15
Live Oaks - 15
Malinovka - 15
Mines - 15
Minsk - 15
Mountain Pass - 15
Murovanka - 15
Overlord - 15
Paris - 12-3 = 9. This is the least fun city map in my experience. I genuinely liked Stalingrad. Kharkov wasn't good, but was better than this. There is usually a large contingent from each team that just camps in the north and stares at grass.
Pilsen - 15
Prokhorovka - 15
Province - 15
Redshire - 15
Ruinberg - 15
Serene Coast - 15
Siegfried Line - 12
Steppes - 16
Studzianki - 15
Tundra - 15
Westfield - 15
Widepark - 15
Erlenberg - 15+1 = 16. I've been enjoying the new Erlenberg a lot. Having more brawls along the river rather than around the castle has sped up the game. The sniper roosts are probably a bit too good, but overall I've been pleased with what happened to this map.
Mannerheim Line - 15
Glacier - 15
Airfield - 15-3 = 12. This map has improved slightly, but I still don't like it. There are long lines of fire for invisible TDs. The places where tanks tend to cluster are cramped and have awkward terrain. My enjoyment of the battle usually depends on the number of artillery in the game and the number of enemies who are sniping. Unless I'm in an unarmored TD, in which case a fun game is one where the enemy team makes stupid pushes but not too quickly.
El Halluf - 15
Sand River - 15

**Ham_** · December 20, 2018

Paris falling faster than it did in 1940 :doge:

**Madner Kami** · December 20, 2018

Abbey - 15
Cliff - 15
Empire's Border - 15
Ensk - 15
Fisherman's Bay - 15
Fjords - 15
Highway - 15
Himmelsdorf - 15
Karelia - 15
Lakeville - 15
Live Oaks - 15
Malinovka - 15
Mines - 15
Minsk - 15
Mountain Pass - 15 - 3 = 12 Do I really need to point out why? Base camper's paradise.
Murovanka - 15
Overlord - 15
Paris: 9 - 3 = 6 I'm german. We brought Paris to it's knees three times since 1814 and this really deserves to be taken down for good by any nation.
Pilsen - 15
Prokhorovka - 15 + 1 = 16 I generally enjoy this map, as I feel the only thing that really has a potential to make this a bad map is, if your own team has a severe case of extra stupid
Province - 15
Redshire - 15
Ruinberg - 15
Serene Coast - 15
Siegfried Line - 12
Steppes - 16
Studzianki - 15
Tundra - 15
Westfield - 15
Widepark - 15
Erlenberg - 16
Mannerheim Line - 15
Glacier - 15
Airfield - 12.
El Halluf - 15
Sand River - 15

Honorable mentions:

Pearl River - 15

**Assassin7** · December 20, 2018

Abbey - 15
Cliff - 15
Empire's Border - 15
Ensk - 15
Fisherman's Bay - 15
Fjords - 15
Highway - 15
Himmelsdorf - 15
Karelia - 15
Lakeville - 15
Live Oaks - 15
Malinovka - 15
Mines - 15
Minsk - 15
Mountain Pass - 12
Murovanka - 15+1=16 this has always been my favourite map for some reason. One of the few maps where vision games are still possible, it has great variety, its not just a stupid corridor brawl like most maps these days. Most of the fighting is based on abusing terrain. Its just enjoyable to play on.
Overlord - 15
Paris - 6-3 = 3 worst map in the game, has been since its release. Though lately WG seems to be trying to outdo themselves with it.
Pilsen - 15-3=12 I liked pilsen in its previous form. But the current re release is absolutely trash. The entire field area was changed from a good, interesting place to fight, to a useless kill zone with nothing but deceptive cover that isnt actually cover, two obvious stupid camping spots that invalidate most of the actual cover, and its just shit in general ugh. The 1 line wasnt really improved, just made different. But it feels less fun to play as well.
Prokhorovka - 16
Province - 15
Redshire - 15
Ruinberg - 15
Serene Coast - 15
Siegfried Line - 12
Steppes - 16
Studzianki - 15
Tundra - 15
Westfield - 15
Widepark - 15
Erlenberg - 15+1 = 16. I've been enjoying the new Erlenberg a lot. Having more brawls along the river rather than around the castle has sped up the game. The sniper roosts are probably a bit too good, but overall I've been pleased with what happened to this map.
Mannerheim Line - 15
Glacier - 15
Airfield - 12
El Halluf - 15
Sand River - 15

Cant change colours on my phone so rip

**Madner Kami** · December 20, 2018

4 minutes ago, Assassin7 said:

Abbey - 15

Cliff - 15

Empire's Border - 15

Ensk - 15

Fisherman's Bay - 15

Fjords - 15

Highway - 15

Himmelsdorf - 15

Karelia - 15

Lakeville - 15

Live Oaks - 15

Malinovka - 15

Mines - 15

Minsk - 15

Mountain Pass - 12

Murovanka - 16

Overlord - 15

Paris - 3

Pilsen - 12

Prokhorovka - 16

Province - 15

Redshire - 15

Ruinberg - 15

Serene Coast - 15

Siegfried Line - 12

Steppes - 16

Studzianki - 15

Tundra - 15

Westfield - 15

Widepark - 15

Erlenberg - 16

Mannerheim Line - 15

Glacier - 15

Airfield - 12

El Halluf - 15

Sand River - 15

Cant change colours on my phone so rip

Got your back there, buddy.

**kolni** · December 20, 2018

(On phone)

I am not a fan of Paris, but it is actually (and strangely) my highest average performing map across the board except for lights. Abbey being my worst map in general.

+1 El Halluf - only good map left in the game with this meta

- 3 Erlenberg - shit rework that turned a good map into unplayable

-3 Abbey - arty and HE meta makes this map unplayable, I generally just leave during countdown if its full T10 and 3 arty

**Tarski** · December 20, 2018

22 minutes ago, Kolni said:

(On phone)

I am not a fan of Paris, but it is actually (and strangely) my highest average performing map across the board except for lights. Abbey being my worst map in general.

+1 El Halluf - only good map left in the game with this meta

- 3 Erlenberg - shit rework that turned a good map into unplayable

-3 Abbey - arty and HE meta makes this map unplayable, I generally just leave during countdown if its full T10 and 3 arty

Here's the updated list:

Abbey - 12
Cliff - 15
Empire's Border - 15
Ensk - 15
Fisherman's Bay - 15
Fjords - 15
Highway - 15
Himmelsdorf - 15
Karelia - 15
Lakeville - 15
Live Oaks - 15
Malinovka - 15
Mines - 15
Minsk - 15
Mountain Pass - 12
Murovanka - 16
Overlord - 15
Paris - 3
Pilsen - 12
Prokhorovka - 16
Province - 15
Redshire - 15
Ruinberg - 15
Serene Coast - 15
Siegfried Line - 12
Steppes - 16
Studzianki - 15
Tundra - 15
Westfield - 15
Widepark - 15
Erlenberg - 13
Mannerheim Line - 15
Glacier - 15
Airfield - 12
El Halluf - 16
Sand River - 15

**8_Hussars** · December 20, 2018

Where have the color editing options gone?

Abbey - 12
Cliff - 15
Empire's Border - 15 - 3 = 12 This is the worst map in the game. Two minutes to get anywhere. Assault is retarded, camp choke points and win.
Ensk - 15
Fisherman's Bay - 15
Fjords - 15
Highway - 15
Himmelsdorf - 15
Karelia - 15
Lakeville - 15
Live Oaks - 15
Malinovka - 15
Mines - 15 - 3 = 12 Encounter battles are auto wins for North spawn. View range saturation, map design, and arty lanes give limited options to flex at higher tiers.
Minsk - 15
Mountain Pass - 12
Murovanka - 16
Overlord - 15
Paris - 3
Pilsen - 12
Prokhorovka - 16 +1 = 17 As a LT player I like this map and as a plus enjoy the teamwork required to win. On the negative side the teamwork required to win.
Province - 15
Redshire - 15
Ruinberg - 15
Serene Coast - 15
Siegfried Line - 12
Steppes - 16
Studzianki - 15
Tundra - 15
Westfield - 15
Widepark - 15
Erlenberg - 13
Mannerheim Line - 15
Glacier - 15
Airfield - 12
El Halluf - 16
Sand River - 15

**Assassin7** · December 20, 2018

@Kolni completely fucking agree with earlenberg. Went from a map I loved playing on to one I actually hate now, especially from north spawn. Literally just another trash boring heavy brawl map

**sundanceHelix** · December 20, 2018

Abbey - 12
Cliff - 15
Empire's Border - 12
Ensk - 15
Fisherman's Bay - 15
Fjords - 15
Highway - 15
Himmelsdorf - 15
Karelia - 15
Lakeville - 15
Live Oaks - 15
Malinovka - 15
Mines - 12
Minsk - 15
Mountain Pass - 12
Murovanka - 16
Overlord - 15
Paris - 3 - 3 = 0 Please just die already
Pilsen - 12
Prokhorovka - 17
Province - 15 - 3 = 12 Never mind Mines at Tier 10, what is this map still doing at Tier 7?
Redshire - 15
Ruinberg - 15
Serene Coast - 15
Siegfried Line - 12
Steppes - 16 + 1 = 17 Frankly I'm hard pressed to find a map that I DO like, but this is one of the more playable maps, I feel
Studzianki - 15
Tundra - 15
Westfield - 15
Widepark - 15
Erlenberg - 13
Mannerheim Line - 15
Glacier - 15
Airfield - 12
El Halluf - 16
Sand River - 15

**Tman450** · December 20, 2018

Abbey - 12
Cliff - 15
Empire's Border - 12
Ensk - 15
Fisherman's Bay - 15-3=12 They managed to ruin this map over the course of a few patches. It's a shitty map now, and while it was never good, it's especially painful to play.
Fjords - 15
Highway - 15
Himmelsdorf - 15
Karelia - 15
Lakeville - 15
Live Oaks - 15
Malinovka - 15
Mines - 12.
Minsk - 15
Mountain Pass - 12
Murovanka - 16
Overlord - 15+1=16 not sure if it qualifies as the best map, but I enjoy my games almost every time I play on this map. There's enough cover and flanking routes that the map is enjoyable, and people don't yolorush the beach much anymore.
Pilsen - 12
Prokhorovka - 17
Province - 12
Redshire - 15
Ruinberg - 15
Serene Coast - 15
Siegfried Line - 12
Steppes - 17
Studzianki - 15-3=12 By FAR the worst fucking map introduced into the game since Komarin. It manages to be the most infuriatingly open yet restrictively laney map ever invented. Good luck doing anything without getting fucked in the ass by TD's. Paris is a shithole map too but I would rather play a Paris 24/7 map rotation than touch this giant steaming turd ever again. The fact that this is still at 15 shows that nobody here plays the game much anymore.
Tundra - 15
Westfield - 15
Widepark - 15
Erlenberg - 13
Mannerheim Line - 15
Glacier - 15
Airfield - 12
El Halluf - 16
Sand River - 15

**monjardin** · December 20, 2018

Yes, Erlenberg was one of my favorites too. I can’t figure out how to play it now in the few games I’ve had since coming back.

Actually, all of my favorite maps have either been removed are changed such that they don’t play anything like they did previously.

Can I just downvote? LOL

On mobile, so...

Fisherman’s Bay -3 I hate what they did to the middle.

Empire’s Border -3 WTF?!

Malinovka +1 I just picked one that I don’t mind at random.

**Ozjasz** · December 21, 2018

Abbey - 12
Cliff - 15
Empire's Border - 9
Ensk - 15
Fisherman's Bay - 12
Fjords - 15
Highway - 15
Himmelsdorf - 15
Karelia - 15
Lakeville - 15
Live Oaks - 15
Malinovka - 16
Mines - 12
Minsk - 15
Mountain Pass - 12 - 3 = 9 What an awful, claustrophobic dumpster fire of a map
Murovanka - 16
Overlord - 16
Pilsen - 12
Prokhorovka - 17 + 1 = 18 Matches without arty on this map are usually my favorite time in the game
Province - 12
Redshire - 15
Ruinberg - 15
Serene Coast - 15
Siegfried Line - 12
Steppes -17
Studzianki - 12 - 3 = 9 As somebody before me said, Komarin was a design masterpiece compared to this.
Tundra - 15
Westfield - 15
Widepark - 15
Erlenberg - 13
Mannerheim Line - 15
Glacier - 15
Airfield - 12
El Halluf - 16
Sand River - 15

**Ham_** · December 21, 2018

Abbey - 12
Cliff - 15
Empire's Border - 9
Ensk - 15
Fisherman's Bay - 12
Fjords - 15
Highway - 12 (-3) This map might as well be drive on the red line, kill other tank on red line, continue on red line. What kind of brilliant genius decided to make a map where 90% of it is an unused? Fuck me you might as well draw a square and tell people they can only drive on the edge of the square and you would have the same gameplay.
Himmelsdorf - 15
Karelia - 15
Lakeville - 15
Live Oaks - 12 (-3) The flanks are imbalanced. Too often you see a team rush the east and steamroll the game. Also suffers from Highway syndrome with a completely worthless center swamp where lights congregate like flies.
Malinovka - 16
Mines - 12
Minsk - 15
Mountain Pass - 9
Murovanka - 16
Overlord - 16
Pilsen - 12
Prokhorovka - 18
Province - 12
Redshire - 15
Ruinberg - 15
Serene Coast - 15
Siegfried Line - 12
Steppes - 17
Studzianki - 9
Tundra - 15
Westfield - 15
Widepark - 15
Erlenberg - 13
Mannerheim Line - 15
Glacier - 15
Airfield - 12
El Halluf - 16
Sand River - 16 (+1) I enjoy playing this map, good ability to flex between sides and some nice lanes to abuse if you know the map, generally enjoyable if you aren't in a slow heavy.

**kolni** · December 21, 2018

FTR the only good map is El Halluf :doge:

Every other map is either imbalanced to a side (Ruinberg, Live Oaks, Mannerheim, Sand River etc), terrible after 1.0 with the small changes (Siegfried Line and Himmels etc) or have terrible gameplay dynamic (Steppes, Airfield, Abbey and every new map since 2013).

Maps like Prokh, Mali, Redshire, Muro, Karelia and so on are all lineup specific. Most maps short of Abbey/everything (except Overlord IMO) after 2014 have those specifics too, they're generally just harder to come by. When it comes to how reliably good games you can get then Prokh is obviously the number one map in the game across the board for people that know how to abuse vision together with reading deployment spreads blindly etc, but that map fucking sucks dick in inaccurate heavies when there's 3 arties so is it really a quality map when your tank choice loading in can render you close to useless just like that?

Just the way I think when it comes to map quality

Edited December 21, 2018 by Kolni

**Balthazars** · December 21, 2018

Abbey - 12

Cliff - 15

Empire's Border - 9

Ensk - 15

Fisherman's Bay - 12

Fjords - 15

Highway - 9 (-3) - I don't understand why they bothered to bring it back in such an unaltered state. Large map where everyone is funneled into the two opposing corners. I do feel it's imbalanced towards the north spawn as well.

Himmelsdorf - 15

Karelia - 15

Lakeville - 15

Live Oaks - 12

Malinovka - 16

Mines - 12

Minsk - 15

Mountain Pass - 6 (-3) - **** this map. In higher tiers, it is entirely possible to be spotted and deleted attempting to cross the middle, and if you're a slow heavy, forget even getting across without bleeding half or all of your hitpoints. Basically 3 super-narrow corridors with zero flanking opportunities. Hate it with a passion.

Murovanka - 17 (+1) - Probably one of the slightly more balanced maps in the game, and has options for most types of tanks.

Overlord - 16

Pilsen - 12

Prokhorovka - 18

Province - 12

Redshire - 15

Ruinberg - 15

Serene Coast - 15

Siegfried Line - 12

Steppes - 17

Studzianki - 9

Tundra - 15

Westfield - 15

Widepark - 15

Erlenberg - 13

Mannerheim Line - 15

Glacier - 15

Airfield - 12

El Halluf - 16

Sand River - 16

**Assassin7** · December 21, 2018

2 hours ago, Balthazars said:

Highway - 9 (-3) - I don't understand why they bothered to bring it back in such an unaltered state. Large map where everyone is funneled into the two opposing corners. I do feel it's imbalanced towards the north spawn as well.

I always liked highway. it was balanced to both spawns before they removed it, but the changes they made in 1.0, while small, completely fucked it for the south spawn meaning that the south gets absolutely destroyed in the field because they made the ridges to get to the A1 corner higher up and less cover from base campers in the north.

**Tarski** · December 21, 2018

12 hours ago, monjardin said:

Fisherman’s Bay -3 I hate what they did to the middle.

This vote got skipped over. Below is the corrected list.

Abbey - 12
Cliff - 15
Empire's Border - 9
Ensk - 15
Fisherman's Bay - 9
Fjords - 15
Highway - 9
Himmelsdorf - 15
Karelia - 15
Lakeville - 15
Live Oaks - 12
Malinovka - 16
Mines - 12
Minsk - 15
Mountain Pass - 6
Murovanka - 17
Overlord - 16
Pilsen - 12
Prokhorovka - 18
Province - 12
Redshire - 15
Ruinberg - 15
Serene Coast - 15
Siegfried Line - 12
Steppes - 17
Studzianki - 9
Tundra - 15
Westfield - 15
Widepark - 15
Erlenberg - 13
Mannerheim Line - 15
Glacier - 15
Airfield - 12
El Halluf - 16
Sand River - 16

**Archaic_One** · December 22, 2018

Abbey - 12
Cliff - 15
Empire's Border - 9
Ensk - 15
Fisherman's Bay - 9
Fjords - 15
Highway - 9
Himmelsdorf - 15
Karelia - 15
Lakeville - 15
Live Oaks - 12
Malinovka - 16
Mines - 12 -3 = 9 Still unbalanced, still too small for high tiers, hellish with 3 arty
Minsk - 15
Mountain Pass - 6 +1 = 7 I know its doomed, but the entire map is playable and the main brawl area is fairly arty safe
Murovanka - 17
Overlord - 16
Pilsen - 12
Prokhorovka - 18
Province - 12
Redshire - 15
Ruinberg - 15
Serene Coast - 15
Siegfried Line - 12
Steppes - 17
Studzianki - 9
Tundra - 15
Westfield - 15
Widepark - 15
Erlenberg - 13
Mannerheim Line - 15
Glacier - 15-3 = 12 Heavies bleed to death crossing, TD campfest, the ships look retarded and are OP if won
Airfield - 12
El Halluf - 16
Sand River - 16

**sundanceHelix** · December 22, 2018

Abbey - 12
Cliff - 15
Empire's Border - 9
Ensk - 15
Fisherman's Bay - 9
Fjords - 15
Highway - 9
Himmelsdorf - 15
Karelia - 15
Lakeville - 15
Live Oaks - 12
Malinovka - 16
Mines - 9 -3 = 6 Garbage for both map design and tiering.
Minsk - 15
Mountain Pass - 7
Murovanka - 17
Overlord - 16
Pilsen - 12
Prokhorovka - 18 +1 I'll go out on a limb here and say that this map is surprisingly good without arty
Province - 12
Redshire - 15
Ruinberg - 15
Serene Coast - 15
Siegfried Line - 12
Steppes - 17
Studzianki - 9 - 3 = 6 So One of the absolute worst maps I came back to.
Tundra - 15
Westfield - 15
Widepark - 15
Erlenberg - 13
Mannerheim Line - 15
Glacier - 12
Airfield - 12
El Halluf - 16
Sand River - 16

**mati_14** · December 22, 2018

22 hours ago, Assassin7 said:

I always liked highway. it was balanced to both spawns before they removed it, but the changes they made in 1.0, while small, completely fucked it for the south spawn meaning that the south gets absolutely destroyed in the field because they made the ridges to get to the A1 corner higher up and less cover from base campers in the north.

Well, I guess you don't play too many slow tanks. This fucking map made me drop my E3 mark by one percent 3 times because I spawned south. 2 times due to a fucking fast cap from the enemy team that just rolled over north.

**Assassin7** · December 22, 2018

2 hours ago, mati_14 said:

Well, I guess you don't play too many slow tanks. This fucking map made me drop my E3 mark by one percent 3 times because I spawned south. 2 times due to a fucking fast cap from the enemy team that just rolled over north.

nope, Im a medium player lol.

Abbey - 12
Cliff - 15
Empire's Border - 9
Ensk - 15
Fisherman's Bay - 9
Fjords - 15
Highway - 9
Himmelsdorf - 15
Karelia - 15
Lakeville - 15
Live Oaks - 12
Malinovka - 16
Mines - 6
Minsk - 15
Mountain Pass - 7
Murovanka - 17+1=18 I feel that this map is a map where no class of tank can be useless, it has vision, heavy brawling, camo TD snipe positions, terrain abuse, and just everything. I always enjoy playing on it.
Overlord - 16
Pilsen - 12 - 3 = 9 Map fucking sucks now. Before the rework the field was a useful place to go and a fun place to fight. they removed both of those features from it, while not making the rest of the map any better to compensate.
Prokhorovka - 19
Redshire - 15
Ruinberg - 15
Serene Coast - 15
Siegfried Line - 12
Steppes - 17
Studzianki - 6
Tundra - 15
Westfield - 15
Widepark - 15
Erlenberg - 13-3 = 10 There are probably maps technically worse than this, but again, WG changed a good map with interesting play styles and opportunities into yet another boring heavy brawl corridor garbage map, to the point where Im just depressed when I see it any more. I even enjoy empires border and studzianki more purely because with those Im not reminded of what used to be.
Mannerheim Line - 15
Glacier - 12
Airfield - 12
El Halluf - 16
Sand River - 16

Im also going to go out on a limb here and say that I don't think WG have actually IMPROVED any map with any of the 1.0 changes they made when HDing all the maps. At best they made the maps the same, but for most of them they've added some stupid places that didn't need to exist, or removed some areas, even small, that didn't need to be removed (E.G lots of rock terrain making dropping off hills almost impossible now without killing yourself such as going down that cliff in the dip on the north of El halluf, or even dropping off the mines hill)

**Tarski** · December 22, 2018

@Assassin7 removed Province, presumably by accident, so I've added it and also alphabetized the maps that were at the bottom of the list after Widepark so that it's easier to read the list and notice errors.

Abbey - 12
Airfield - 12
Cliff - 15
El Halluf - 16
Empire's Border - 9
Ensk - 15-3 = 12. A small map that still manages to have big map problems like difficulty defending the base in time and invisible snipers.The city brawl can be fun and there are reasonable opportunities to flank if you win territory. But if the city brawl gets concentrated and you can't flank, angry allies ram you to assert ownership over the cramped space. Recent changes to the map seem to have made flanking via the middle harder to do.
Erlenberg - 10
Fisherman's Bay - 9
Fjords - 15
Glacier - 12
Highway - 9
Himmelsdorf - 15
Karelia - 15
Lakeville - 15
Live Oaks - 12
Malinovka - 16
Mannerheim Line - 15
Mines - 6
Minsk - 15
Mountain Pass - 7
Murovanka - 18
Overlord - 16
Pilsen - 9
Prokhorovka - 19
Province - 12+1 = 13. Maybe my latest hiatus from the game has addled my mind too much, but I've been enjoying the newest version of this map. I normally hate small maps, but this one has managed to win me over. It doesn't feel like most other maps. There is enough hard cover in the right places to avoid a fair fraction of artillery shells after the first one and before the endgame. Tanks get split into an interesting set of locations, often at different altitudes. It doesn't feel like a copy of other maps.
Redshire - 15
Ruinberg - 15
Sand River - 16
Serene Coast - 15
Siegfried Line - 12-3 = 9. This map makes me feel like a worse player. I need remedial instruction in how to play it. The north spawn has an easier time grabbing territory in the city. Arty always seems to find a line of fire to any alley. There are a lot of places where advancing from your position changes the lines of fire for you enough that allies who don't follow your lead can't help you, and I find it hard to make things happen.
Steppes - 17
Studzianki - 6
Tundra - 15
Westfield - 15
Widepark - 15

12 minutes ago, Assassin7 said:

Im also going to go out on a limb here and say that I don't think WG have actually IMPROVED any map with any of the 1.0 changes they made when HDing all the maps. At best they made the maps the same, but for most of them they've added some stupid places that didn't need to exist, or removed some areas, even small, that didn't need to be removed (E.G lots of rock terrain making dropping off hills almost impossible now without killing yourself such as going down that cliff in the dip on the north of El halluf, or even dropping off the mines hill)

Kewei cited the sameness of maps as one of the reasons he stays away from the game. This has been a problem for ages, and Wargaming are glacially slow to respond to player feedback about map design. Pearl River and Northwest and South Coast could have been fixed a year ago. I think Sacred Valley deserves another chance. And Stalingrad was one of the more interesting city maps, with lots of lines of fire and paths to flank. I know Empire's Border is disliked, but (as someone who plays only Standard mode) I've been enjoying the fresh look and feel. I think it was designed on the bones of Swamp.

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Murovanka - 17+1=18 I feel that this map is a map where no class of tank can be useless, it has vision, heavy brawling, camo TD snipe positions, terrain abuse, and just everything. I always enjoy playing on it.

I've never figured out the right way to brawl on the west side, especially if you're one of 3+ heavies on that flank. Got any decent replays?

**Assassin7** · December 22, 2018

51 minutes ago, Tarski said:

I've never figured out the right way to brawl on the west side, especially if you're one of 3+ heavies on that flank. Got any decent replays

I only ever really go forest no matter what side of the map or tank I am in, so no not really unfortunate

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