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Let's give this tank a thread. I've been enjoying mine, though I'm doing badly in it. Refer, of course, to @leggasiini's thread on the Polish heavy line, where you will learn among other things that you can skip some of the modules if you feel like it

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The turret is nice but has two weak spots to worry about. The side armor is decent and the tracks are large, but the angled shoulders mean you won't be doing much sidescraping. The shoulders are very weak through a range of angles, which has led to me taking damage from tier 7 tanks from whom I thought I was safe. At least you can bait some non-damaging shots with the large forward drive wheels. The front hull is pretty strong, but the lower plate and driver's hatch are large. 

DPM for tier 9 heavy tanks ranges from about 1800 (Type 4 with the 14 cm gun) to 2200 (Obj 705 with the 122 mm gun), and the 50TP sits comfortably at 2100. Tier 9 heavies have standard round penetration ranging from 242 mm to 259 mm, and the 50TP gets 250 mm. Meanwhile the 50TP's 560 alpha is second only to the Type 4's 14 cm gun. The downside is that its premium round has the same penetration as that of the Obj 705: 303 mm. That's not far off from a lot of its peers, but isn't great. The gun depression is 8 degrees, which places it in the middle of the pack for its tier and class. The gun handling is fairly bad. The shell velocity is...fine. Overall, the gun is the probably the highlight of the tank. 

Like the Emil II, AMX M4 51, ST-I, and Obj 705, the 50TP gets 380 meters of view range, which is worst among tier 9 heavies. 

Here are some gameplay videos. 

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^ Yeh basically that, definitely not keeping it when I get the tier 10 unlocked.

Whole tank is just not that comfy, it's slow and awkward to move about, the gun aims for days and the armour is wonky as all hell.

Yet at the same time when the armour bounces stuff and you hit stuff, you can be a complete monster, the alpha is very satisfying for a tier 9. 

I have just found getting consistency from it hard, you'll have like 5k damage games and then you'll have a game where you only get to fire 6-7 times either because the team folded or the enemy folded and your too slow to catch up, and half the shots either miss or bounce. 

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8 hours ago, tajj7 said:

^ Yeh basically that, definitely not keeping it when I get the tier 10 unlocked.

Whole tank is just not that comfy, it's slow and awkward to move about, the gun aims for days and the armour is wonky as all hell.

Yet at the same time when the armour bounces stuff and you hit stuff, you can be a complete monster, the alpha is very satisfying for a tier 9. 

I have just found getting consistency from it hard, you'll have like 5k damage games and then you'll have a game where you only get to fire 6-7 times either because the team folded or the enemy folded and your too slow to catch up, and half the shots either miss or bounce. 

One other problem on the 50TP that in my experience has prevented getting consistent results is the baddish gold pen. 303 is not terrible, but it does mean there will sometimes be engagements that you simply cannot win due to not having the raw pen needed (340-ish) and cannot avoid being a normal heavy. Against good players in armoured tanks who don't make many mistakes, the 50TP feels limited. 

I generally prefer running the tier 8 50TP with food since that's so much more flexible while not being any worse tier for tier at trading. 

 

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1 hour ago, lavawing said:

I generally prefer running the tier 8 50TP with food since that's so much more flexible while not being any worse tier for tier at trading.

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15 hours ago, lavawing said:

 

One other problem on the 50TP that in my experience has prevented getting consistent results is the baddish gold pen. 303 is not terrible, but it does mean there will sometimes be engagements that you simply cannot win due to not having the raw pen needed (340-ish) and cannot avoid being a normal heavy. Against good players in armoured tanks who don't make many mistakes, the 50TP feels limited. 

I generally prefer running the tier 8 50TP with food since that's so much more flexible while not being any worse tier for tier at trading. 

 

Yeh agree its like IS7 premium ammo, its just lacking against types and Maus etc. compared to the 340 HEAT most other tier 9 and 10 heavies have, especially when coupled with a derpy gun, like the E75 gets 311 APCR which is not much more but the gun handling is so much better it feels way more effective.

Probably only the 14cm on the Type 4, 127mm on the M4 51 (neither of which are used on those tanks) and the Emil 2s premium rounds are worse and in the current meta premium rounds are important.

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I kind of like this tank. It's slow and awkward with huge tracks and terrible hull armor, but the gun is just lovely. Punishing people for 560ish gives me a warm feeling. It can't really snap and is a bit derpy even at medium ranges but that's to be expected. 

The armor seems trollish at best. I get some bounces on the hull, mostly from people who don't know where to shoot or can't hit the huuuuuge lower front plate. The 8 degrees of gun depression make the tank more comfortable, and hull down it's decent enough. Nobody wants to stay still in front of that gun for very long so unless you've just fired only stupid people stick around to carefully aim for cupolas. Meaning only Russian tanks hit those with their abnormal snapshots.

I don't think it's a keeper, but it's a nice tank to grind through.

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So, finished grinding through this tank this week. How does it stack up for your average-ish player? It's good, but not great. On paper it looks like a great combination: it has a gun with generally good stats, awesome alpha for the tier, decent mobility for a heavy and some decent armour stats. In practice, it ends up trolling you constantly.

The gun in particular I found to be extremely troll. Sometimes it works and you stack up massive damage numbers easily. It's also a great bully when top tier because of the alpha strike. Other times, you bounce off lower plates and other weakspots like there is no tomorrow, and it does take a long time to aim in so snap-shots are a lottery. The armour troll too. It's difficult to use due to the cupolas on the turret plus a turret roof that can be penned by big guns with a bit of downward angle onto it. The hull has logical weakspots plus that little raised drivers hatch which can be awkward to hide, and the side armour can be easily penned if you slightly over-angle. But then you get games where you block 4k easily as everything bounces.

I wouldn't keep it, but it's a pretty easy grind, and it's certainly good at winning. 55.3% win rate for me after 235 games, so above average for my tier 9s. 2,044 average damage (a bit low-ish) and 520 assist. Quite a well balanced tank overall.

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2 hours ago, Balthazars said:

So, finished grinding through this tank this week. How does it stack up for your average-ish player? It's good, but not great. On paper it looks like a great combination: it has a gun with generally good stats, awesome alpha for the tier, decent mobility for a heavy and some decent armour stats. In practice, it ends up trolling you constantly.

The gun in particular I found to be extremely troll. Sometimes it works and you stack up massive damage numbers easily. It's also a great bully when top tier because of the alpha strike. Other times, you bounce off lower plates and other weakspots like there is no tomorrow, and it does take a long time to aim in so snap-shots are a lottery. The armour troll too. It's difficult to use due to the cupolas on the turret plus a turret roof that can be penned by big guns with a bit of downward angle onto it. The hull has logical weakspots plus that little raised drivers hatch which can be awkward to hide, and the side armour can be easily penned if you slightly over-angle. But then you get games where you block 4k easily as everything bounces.

I wouldn't keep it, but it's a pretty easy grind, and it's certainly good at winning. 55.3% win rate for me after 235 games, so above average for my tier 9s. 2,044 average damage (a bit low-ish) and 520 assist. Quite a well balanced tank overall.

You can maximise troll bounces by over angling your front and rocking back and forth. This applies to most tanks but on the 50TP can boost your armour use efficiency to the .8-.9 range.
Food is alright on this tank but full APCR works even better. Really struggles against tier 10 behemoths however which at least to me is one of the biggest factors holding this thing back.
Positioning is key as you basically want to do as many trades as possible.
IMO tier 10 is cancer and I would keep this if I didnt have the 50TP proto.
I am green to blue only, but I've gotten better results on this thing than any other tier 9. The long reload and big alpha seems to keep me from being overaggressive.

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On 11/29/2019 at 12:07 AM, lavawing said:

You can maximise troll bounces by over angling your front and rocking back and forth. This applies to most tanks but on the 50TP can boost your armour use efficiency to the .8-.9 range.
Food is alright on this tank but full APCR works even better. Really struggles against tier 10 behemoths however which at least to me is one of the biggest factors holding this thing back.
Positioning is key as you basically want to do as many trades as possible.
IMO tier 10 is cancer and I would keep this if I didnt have the 50TP proto.
I am green to blue only, but I've gotten better results on this thing than any other tier 9. The long reload and big alpha seems to keep me from being overaggressive.

The problem is that you're relying on those troll bounces, it's not really that reliable, and even with the troll nature, there are many weaknesses to the armour. Perhaps I was a bit more unlucky than most, but I never relied on the armour, it was all about minimizing exposure, conserving HP and keeping your big alpha in play until the late game (as you're great at mopping up with the alpha strike).

I also don't tend to fire a lot of gold, which probably didn't help me too much either.

I don't have the 50TP proto, but the standard tier 8 is better tier-for-tier than this one, which is my keeper in the line.

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