Swede High Tier Meds

[hazzgar 730]

https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2019/03/07/developer-diaries-new-swedish-medium-tanks/

 

This genuinely looks interesting if they don't screw their bloom values.

[MacusFlash 2,270]

14 degrees gun depression + bouncy turret + gun as high as it's possible = new king of the hill? 

Also 105mm gun from UDES on tier VIII medium with 8 shots per minute looks like a placeholder. I hope so... 

[tajj7 560]

Stats are out for the tier 8 and 10 on RSR. But the blog keeps crashing for me. 

Tier 8 has 217 pen with 360 alpha. Speed is 55kph with 25 hp/ton, aim time about 2.1s. -12 gun depression with the siege mode, turret though looks too flat to bounce anything. 

Tier 10 has 460 alpha with about 250 pen. It also goes 45kph with 16 hp/ton so not the fastest, aim time is 2.4s, reload about 10s. Turret is 95mm so liklely to autobounce everything using the gun depression, which is -13.  122s will overmatch hull front and sides. 

[Kymrel 185]

This looks interesting. They will be an xp-pinata for arty, but I've been playing the Standard B so I'm used to that...

[Deus__Ex__Machina 989]

1 hour ago, tajj7 said:

Stats are out for the tier 8 and 10 on RSR. But the blog keeps crashing for me. 

Tier 8 has 217 pen with 360 alpha. Speed is 55kph with 25 hp/ton, aim time about 2.1s. -12 gun depression with the siege mode, turret though looks too flat to bounce anything. 

Tier 10 has 460 alpha with about 250 pen. It also goes 45kph with 16 hp/ton so not the fastest, aim time is 2.4s, reload about 10s. Turret is 95mm so liklely to autobounce everything using the gun depression, which is -13.  122s will overmatch hull front and sides. 

im hoping this wont be another shit pen line similar to the heavy's, with both lacking AP/Gold 

first thing i thought when i saw that 125mm on the tier 10 is "will it be like the krans gun with 250/300 pen"  

@hazzgar 

[MacusFlash 2,270]

Wow, everything changes so fast. In the video swed med was as fast as E50M but now it's slower than M48. 

Still work in progress to make another broken crap branch. 

[arthurwellsley 132]

In the video the tier VIII comes off the Leo at tier VII, but we knew that from the news article back in mid December 2018, so I have now got 58k experience on my Leo. In the video at 4minutes 23 seconds you see the tech tree tier VIII in the garage and it has a crew of three.

EDITED

Anyone have a source for the crew size on the tech tree tier IX and X? Now re-looked at the video and the HUD for the tier X at 6 minutes and 7 seconds seems to also show a crew of three

Anyone have a source for the crew size on the new Lansen tier VIII premium? Thanks to Wanderjar below he found an old reference to a crew of four (but that does not fit with a crew trainer for the tech trees with a crew of three = go figure)

[FavreFan4ever 281]

Great, another Swedish line that relies on autobounce mechanics. Completely immune to some tanks, completely helpless against others.

Also, I think it'll have mechanics much like the Swedish TD's, see the note about "active suspension"?

 

[Wanderjar 298]

43 minutes ago, arthurwellsley said:

Anyone have a source for the crew size on the new Lansen tier VIII premium?

https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2018/12/05/supertest-the-lansen/

and here's an old ass reference to the IRL Lansen:
http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/05/15/swedish-tanks-part-x-strv-lansen/

IRL it was 4 crew, In game the tech tier 8 currently has 3 Cdr, Gunner, driver

commander, driver gunner loader probably same as the Leo and Strv 74 etc
Video is cued to the tier 8 crew sizes

Tier 8: UDES 14-5
Commander/radio/loader
Gunner/loader
Driver

Unsure of ST numbers for Lansen or the 9/10

Edited March 7, 2019 by Wanderjar
Video hunting

[StormCrowReaperManyHats 678]

You can pretty much guarantee the only tank in the line worth getting will be the Lansen, because this is 2019 Wargaming.

[Wanderjar 298]

8 hours ago, arthurwellsley said:

In the video the tier VIII comes off the Leo at tier VII, but we knew that from the news article back in mid December 2018, so I have now got 58k experience on my Leo. In the video at 4minutes 23 seconds you see the tech tree tier VIII in the garage and it has a crew of three.

EDITED

Anyone have a source for the crew size on the tech tree tier IX and X? Now re-looked at the video and the HUD for the tier X at 6 minutes and 7 seconds seems to also show a crew of three

Anyone have a source for the crew size on the new Lansen tier VIII premium? Thanks to Wanderjar below he found an old reference to a crew of four (but that does not fit with a crew trainer for the tech trees with a crew of three = go figure)

http://ritastatusreport.blogspot.com/2015/03/swedish-tanks-part-xxii-udes.html slightly better ones

http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/Sweden/Swedish-prototypes-paper-projects.php 

crew compliment is all over the place, 3 in one design, 4 in another one.

A Hägglunds proposal was to use as many common components with the Ikv 91 (which was still in the prototype stage) to lower production costs. In total Hägglunds made 5 proposals for the UDES 14, one based completely of the Ikv 91 with a new turret, three with pretty much the same hull but different turrets and one with a lower profile hull with a supine drivers position copied from the Chieftain.
 

UDES 14 proposals

This overview shows the various UDES 14 proposals but also includes the UDES 03 for comparison. Out of these the UDES 14E had been studied the longest and was seen as the best alternative although it would be more expensive and complicated than the other options except for UDES 14C. The most realistic option was probably the UDES 14A which had a manual gun and a version of the L7 gun, although the vehicle would have been only marginally superior to the German Leopard 1 in most respects.
To give you an idea of the performance of these vehicles I’m going to show you the data we have for each of the hull types (excluding 03 and D as they are based of other vehicles), note that these vehicles were supposed to have hydraulic suspension like the type 74 (STB-1) to boost gun depression.

Characteristics for UDES 14A (hull shared by UDES 14B & C)
 

Combat weight: 26,4 ton
Length: 5,6m
Width: 3,1m
Height: 2,38m
Ground clearance: 600mm
Track width: 450mm
Turret armor: 66/30/20
Hull armor: 77/10+20/10
Armament: 105mm L7 L/45, 105mm L7 L/51, 105mm Kan Strv 103 (Manual)
Elevation/depression: +20/-5
Ammo carried: 44 rounds
Engine type: Diesel
Engine output: 544 hp
Power to weight ratio: 20,6 hp/t
Max speed: 70 kph
Crew: 4 men


Characteristics for UDES 14E
 

Combat weight: 24,7 ton
Length: 6,35m
Width: 3,1m
Height: 2,1m
Ground clearance: 600mm
Track width: 450mm
Turret armor: 37-20/25/10+10
Hull armor: 50/10+20/10+10
Armament: 105mm Kan Strv 103 or Unspecified 12cm gun (Autoloader)
Elevation/depression: +20/-3
Ammo carried: 44 rounds
Engine type: Diesel
Engine output: 544 hp
Power to weight ratio: 22 hp/t
Max speed: 70 kph
Crew: 3 men

and of course IRL has little to do with that WG decides anyway 

[lavawing 498]

Rip Kranvagn line. Again.

[Copeyhagen 41]

So we have to go back playing the leo... FML. At least I have a 4 skill female crew from the kran line, which I hated 

[Wanderjar 298]

I've got my  backup 2+ skill crew from my Emil 1 back in the leo to grind it out. I'll hang on to my Kranberry crew just in case WG decides to make it not shit 

 The leo was a fun tank. Other than the no armor it's hilarious when top tier and a t-34 tries to side scrape against the top gun

Whoops, there went the Emil 1's 4th shell....

Edited March 8, 2019 by Wanderjar
FU WG

[hall0 1,095]

Why dafuq give it 460 alpha at TX. What is this bullshit nowadays. We will have 120mm guns doing 400, 440 and 460mm. Give me some consistency WG!

[Matross 145]

Controlling the speed is going to be important, because anything under 10kmh = in siege mode... at least they got turrets, hope they're stronk turrets, made of Thor's hammer material. Please don't have sh*t pen like the heavies... bet they're going to have sh*t pen like the heavies.

[Copeyhagen 41]

I retract my statement, the leo is actually OK, tier 7 seems to feel less broken than 8

[Wanderjar 298]

On 3/8/2019 at 11:38 AM, Matross said:

Controlling the speed is going to be important, because anything under 10kmh = in siege mode... at least they got turrets, hope they're stronk turrets, made of Thor's hammer material. Please don't have sh*t pen like the heavies... bet they're going to have sh*t pen like the heavies.

right now they have the TD guns. dont know if they have placeholders or not though. 10.5 mm UDES cannon and 103-0 gun

[Deus__Ex__Machina 989]

@hazzgar 

https://thedailybounce.net/world-of-tanks/supertest-udes-14-alt-5-swedish-medium/

https://thedailybounce.net/world-of-tanks/supertest-udes-16-swedish-medium/

https://thedailybounce.net/world-of-tanks/supertest-udes-15-16-swedish-medium/

anyone who wants, much more detailed stats ^^^

also 

UDES 15/16: Concealment of Stationary Vehicle (%) 32.00 / 5.76 (%) Concealment of Moving Vehicle (%) 24.00 / 4.32 (%)

UDES 16: Concealment of Stationary Vehicle (%) 29.5 / 6.17 (%) Concealment of Moving Vehicle (%) 22.1 / 4.62 (%)

[MacusFlash 2,270]

Literally every light tank is crying in the corner. 

[hazzgar 730]

5 hours ago, Deus__Ex__Machina said:

@hazzgar 

https://thedailybounce.net/world-of-tanks/supertest-udes-14-alt-5-swedish-medium/

https://thedailybounce.net/world-of-tanks/supertest-udes-16-swedish-medium/

https://thedailybounce.net/world-of-tanks/supertest-udes-15-16-swedish-medium/

anyone who wants, much more detailed stats ^^^

also 

UDES 15/16: Concealment of Stationary Vehicle (%) 32.00 / 5.76 (%) Concealment of Moving Vehicle (%) 24.00 / 4.32 (%)

UDES 16: Concealment of Stationary Vehicle (%) 29.5 / 6.17 (%) Concealment of Moving Vehicle (%) 22.1 / 4.62 (%)

WTF? Look at the tier9. . This must be placeholder stats since it has TD camo, 3000+ DPM (more than the t10) but for some crazy reason derp gun aim time, no turret armor (WG said it will have turret armor) and shit accuracy. 

[Wanderjar 298]

those penetration values tho..    

fucking 254/310 on a tier 10? the tier 9 has way higher Pen stats (308/350) for less alpha but what good is alpha if you cant pen? 

Since the meds are based on the UDES platform the high camo and short tank size doesnt surprise me at all but that bloom and low pen means the only thing you will pen is the scouts and maybe some meds 

and the tier 9 also fires 2.5 more times a min just for S&G  Def running vstab and vents with optics. a rammer would just be silly at that point...

[Deus__Ex__Machina 989]

@hazzgar @Wanderjar

the stats of the tier 9 are confirmed to be place holder stats, its basically just been given the strv 103b's gun for now with similar stats in regards to a strv in non-siege mode for the bloom ect. 

the actual gun will likely have around 400-420 alpha to keep up with the trend of "high alpha" mediums with less pen and RoF

also the armor will be better obv, as the tier 8 currently has better armor overall 

[Wanderjar 298]

yeah its a placeholder but still what sense does that make? not even something closer?

 

[hazzgar 730]

TBH Unless they buff the pen I'd only play them if the shell is fast as shit and the bloom is good.