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[Deus__Ex__Machina 989]

Sources: https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2019/04/30/supertest-news-vk-75-01-k/ 

The concept looks cool overall, but i cant say im excited for another mobile bunker @ tier 8 , and a Premium no less.

same turret design as the VKP but with 250mm of armor as apposed to the VKP's 230mm. an even smaller Cupola combined with a (currently) 490 alpha gun with similar pen to a VKP.

overall the VKP has better armor all round, but this things main feature will be side-scraping in which case i suspect it will be equally ridiculous to deal with.

im also gonna call that the alpha will likely be nerfed to 440 by release, as a 490 alpha HT @ tier 8 seems unlikely, but even so this powercreep of insane alpha or clip potential @ tier 8 is getting out of hand IMO. everything has either the Raw alpha or clip potential to shave off 1/3'rd or Half of your HP before you can even react, which is causing tier 8 game-play to become just as if not more punishing and fast paced as tier 10  

 

[hazzgar 730]

Gosh I wonder where all the 15:0 games come from.

[SchnitzelTruck 3,600]

*Cries in Tiger 2*

[Madner Kami 405]

1 hour ago, SchnitzelTruck said:

*Cries in Tiger 2*

There's a Tiger 2 in the game? Is it a T7 premium? Because it certainly can't be at Tier 8, can it?

[Tupinambis 173]

Oh boy they either gotta nerf this thing or buff the mauerbrecher

[hiipanda 299]

Just move the tiger 1 and tiger 2 down a tier and put this at tier 8.

[SchnitzelTruck 3,600]

8 minutes ago, hiipanda said:

Just move the tiger 1 and tiger 2 down a tier and put this at tier 8.

Nah, downtiering the tigers to their proper places is too obvious and effective. We need to beat around the bush and fire random stat changes out of a shotgun

[Assassin7 4,353]

hey we need something to rival the OPness of the defender. and now on the wheraboos can stop being mad about UP germans.

[SchnitzelTruck 3,600]

4 minutes ago, Assassin7 said:

and now on the wheraboos can stop being mad about UP germans.

Teamoldmill must be rock hard seeing this premium, providing he hasn't died of a stroke yet.

Mentioning his name brings me back to the glory days of 2013 NA forum bullshittery. Times have changed

[nabucodonsor 461]

How can they even come up with these ideas? They are truly oblivious

[leggasiini 1,567]

• 490 alpha, yet it has 1850 DPM (more than a lot of old 320-390 alpha heavies, more than VK 100, Mauerbrecher, Defender, MORE THAN SOME 240 ALPHA TIER 8 MTs)
• accuracy isn't even godawful for the alpha, it's more accurate than any of those 440 alpha tier 8 heavies wtf
• 0.19 / 0.19 / 0.14 bloom is pretty disgusting considering that it's pretty slow too, it has better bloom than VK 100 again and that already doesn't have THAT bad gun handling for the alpha, wtf
• good penetration as well, shell velocity is also less potato than other 128s in the tier
• turret armor, if it really is that thick with that shape, is arguably better than VK B at tier 9  
• it's also faster than VK B lmao. In fact, with actually rather decent terrain resists and 12 hp/ton, it's going to hit 30 easily, and it has that typical German 15kph reverse speed too
• knowing the armor layout of the VK B and Pz VII, it probably has strong LFP too so it doesnt even have frontal weakspots (and that cupola is probably going to be VK 100 v2.0 except its even smaller), and if UFP is 180 mm thick it's going to be around 270 effective or something

It's a VK B that loses 20mm side armor, 20mm frontal armor, some penetration, tiny bit of DPM, accuracy and view range, to gain better shell velocity, better mobility, better bloom when moving (lol) and arguably better turret armor. It seems kinda fair at first, but the problem is...

...I'm comparing a tier 8 with a tier 9.

Armor layout is going to ultimately judge how stupid the tank actually is but if the LFP is anywhere near 200 mm effective, then GG

It seems so stupidly broken atm that I really, really feel like they are going to nerf it (at least the alpha...why does it need a 128, giga-alpha isn't even the main thing of the line, just give it Tiger II's gun or something). WG really hasn't introduced super-P2W premiums in a long time (especially now that Murazor is gone); their recent premiums (other than omegalul buffed IS-3A and possibly some other tanks too) are actually somewhat well balanced. I guess they need to fix that by introducing the next generation bullshit tank.

Part of me thinks that this will probably be the next marathon tank; this or the new Skoda.

[MacusFlash 2,270]

13 hours ago, SchnitzelTruck said:

*Cries in Tiger 2*

*A tear hit an armor*

Penetration!

[Kymrel 185]

Wow. So kind of like IS-M but better in every single way? Sounds about right. Could we please have a Rusky fan-boy outrage on the RU forums so that this thing gets nerfed before release? Frontal weakspots, 440 alpha and Löwe-like DPM would be a good start.

[Deus__Ex__Machina 989]

1 hour ago, Kymrel said:

Wow. So kind of like IS-M but better in every single way? Sounds about right. Could we please have a Rusky fan-boy outrage on the RU forums so that this thing gets nerfed before release? Frontal weakspots, 440 alpha and Löwe-like DPM would be a good start.

like i said im very much so expecting the alpha to be nerfed to 440.

the armor may see some nerfs as well by release, after all its German so its got a snowballs chance in hell of actually coming to live with these current stats. 

@leggasiini

Even something like the new skoda premium only further proves my argument of Alpha power creep @tier 8 to be true. 19sec base reload that can get down to 17.5 when kitted, for 720 burst in 3.59 seconds from the first shot. FL being the perfect example of how broken tier 8 currently is with the Hordes of Progettos, skorps, SU-130pm's, defenders, TS-5's, EBR's ect.

And these new premiums sure as hell aren't helping.      

[Tupinambis 173]

11 hours ago, hiipanda said:

Just move the tiger 1 and tiger 2 down a tier and put this at tier 8.

This thing would make no sense in the Tiger branch.

They'd probably be better off downtiering the VK30.01P, Tiger P, and VK.4502A and then cramming this thing in as a regular tier 8. That keeps some level of "gameplay consistency" for the porsche line and makes the tanks below it less shit.

[tajj7 560]

12 hours ago, hiipanda said:

Just move the tiger 1 and tiger 2 down a tier and put this at tier 8.

Tiger 1 is more than fine at tier 7, plus the E75 would be broken as all hell at tier 8 unless the armour was heavily nerfed.

Really only the Tiger 2 is the issue and I think if they fixed it a little it'd be fine, buff roof armour so no overmatch, buff turret front to like 220 or something, buff the mobility up a little so it can go like 40kph on flat ground, and make the gun have high DPM, shift the HP to like 1750.

You'd then have the Tiger 1 on tier 8, not great armour, decent mobility, ok turret, high hit poiints, high DPM. 

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As for this abomination, @leggasiini pretty much covers it.

OP as all hell, I don't even think a weak lower plate would balance it, which it probably is not going to have if its following the Pz 7/VKB style. 

A Super heavy with normal heavy mobility, borderline bad medium gun handling and TD alpha, what could possibly be wrong with that? 

[Oicraftian_ 14]

1 hour ago, tajj7 said:

Tiger 1 is more than fine at tier 7, plus the E75 would be broken as all hell at tier 8 unless the armour was heavily nerfed.

Really only the Tiger 2 is the issue and I think if they fixed it a little it'd be fine, buff roof armour so no overmatch, buff turret front to like 220 or something, buff the mobility up a little so it can go like 40kph on flat ground, and make the gun have high DPM, shift the HP to like 1750.

You'd then have the Tiger 1 on tier 8, not great armour, decent mobility, ok turret, high hit poiints, high DPM. 

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As for this abomination, @leggasiini pretty much covers it.

OP as all hell, I don't even think a weak lower plate would balance it, which it probably is not going to have if its following the Pz 7/VKB style. 

A Super heavy with normal heavy mobility, borderline bad medium gun handling and TD alpha, what could possibly be wrong with that? 

I agree on Tiger I

Tbh I'd rather have the 900 hp engine that would light itself on fire break at 700 hp IRL than a bullshit turret roof buff. New turret research can replace Tiger II's 105/52 gun research. Buff the gun bloom on movement to keep the handling on par.

Turret frontal should not hit 220. About 200 to stop tier 6/7 gold is more than enough. One issue here is the cheeks creating a large weakpoint, 80mm --> 100mm will stop them from being pierced, without pushing the turret sides overboard.

Additionally, this reinforces a good habit; shooting vertical armor. So it is a healthy armor change. "Do not shoot cheeks dumbfuck" signal.

Damage per minute I do not think should be a focus. Simply, improving the gun handling

My reasoning is this:

1. Tiger I has the ability to kill an enemy tank in roughly 6 shots.
2. Tiger II has the ability to kill equal tier enemy tank in roughly 4.5 shots.

So, if it has high DPM, it is DPM creep. To make it a 'different' tank than the Tiger I, making it more 'accurate' when moving, as well as improving mobility, I think is the correct path. Its armor will benefit from the 'reduced exposure' kind (from less aiming), and it combines well with a 1000 m/s AP shell velocity.

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In my baddie trash opinion.

This is retarded.

The armor is, as everyone has mentioned, very good, too good actually. Typical WarGay will give it no weakspots cuz WarGay.

0.19/0.19/0.15 bloom is ridiculous for a heavy tank, 2.59 second aimtime and 0.374 acc... 380 viewrange cuz bunkers should have decent VR too right?

But of course! 226 AP pen, 490 alpha, 920 m/s shell velocity, 1858 DPM, gotta have that TD gun with average tier 8 DPM. 

And of course, non omega bad mobility.

Why after all this time.... Not just make it a tier 9 CW tank?

[hiipanda 299]

3 hours ago, tajj7 said:

Tiger 1 is more than fine at tier 7, plus the E75 would be broken as all hell at tier 8 unless the armour was heavily nerfed.

Really only the Tiger 2 is the issue and I think if they fixed it a little it'd be fine, buff roof armour so no overmatch, buff turret front to like 220 or something, buff the mobility up a little so it can go like 40kph on flat ground, and make the gun have high DPM, shift the HP to like 1750.

You'd then have the Tiger 1 on tier 8, not great armour, decent mobility, ok turret, high hit poiints, high DPM. 

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As for this abomination, @leggasiini pretty much covers it.

OP as all hell, I don't even think a weak lower plate would balance it, which it probably is not going to have if its following the Pz 7/VKB style. 

A Super heavy with normal heavy mobility, borderline bad medium gun handling and TD alpha, what could possibly be wrong with that? 

I never mentioned the e75, so i don't know why you're bringing it up.

 

Amx 49 has 250 turret front with a weak commader's hatch and a strong ufp. It could be same with the vk 7501 commander's hatch since the values for it haven't come out yet.

[Haswell 2,399]

Nobody remembers, or cares about the VK4502A.

[SchnitzelTruck 3,600]

1 hour ago, Haswell said:

Nobody remembers, or cares about the VK4502A.

Never heard of it. Sounds fake.

[Madner Kami 405]

1 hour ago, Haswell said:

Nobody remembers, or cares about the VK4502A.

Give it sheltered matchmaking and it's fine. It's a Tiger I with less DPM.

[BadLuckCharm 41]

10 hours ago, Kymrel said:

Wow. So kind of like IS-M but better in every single way? Sounds about right. Could we please have a Rusky fan-boy outrage on the RU forums so that this thing gets nerfed before release? Frontal weakspots, 440 alpha and Löwe-like DPM would be a good start.

Nah. They'll do even better: Introduce a brand-new, never-before-discovered super secret project just released from old Soviet development files tank that one-ups this tank. And it'll be a medium. And will manage to still perform in tier 10 games, despite being in tier 8.

This, people, is the start of the next phase of planned powercreep.

[Madner Kami 405]

Well, Victor mentioned he likes german tanks. One month later, this happens. Do the math.

In all honesty though? I don't feel this is grossly overpowered in the current environment. Sure, it's better at doing the VK 168's job than the VK 168, but the VK 168 doesn't do it's job particularly well in the first place anyways. Not to even think and talk about the regular T8 german heavies.

[kolni 69,670,872]

tvp vtu is still better, if it is the counter to a defender it is the counter to this too

[Jesse_the_Scout 2,098]

Apparently we're done with armor creep premiums, now it's on to alpha creep.