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bogus upgrades to RU and Chinese gun depression

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Russian and Chinese tanks have always benefited from being well armoured and fast heavy tanks,  and WG decisions recently giving them gun depression sucks. This initially started out as a thing unique to western tanks, not really well armoured, but with good turrets and the gun depression to use them. situational enough that they could seek higher ground and hold that ground against these Eastern tank designs. But that is all changing piece by piece, patch by patch, with the twin barrel tanks coming out with very strong turret armour, and good gun depression, where does that leave old tanks like T11OE5 

113, WZ5A, K-91, obj 268 V 4, obj 263, Etc. Quite ridiculous, really. Late tier Chinese and Soviet tanks should be capped at -5 and -6 GD, because they have other benefits which western tanks don't get, that they basically -trade- for their gun depression advantage. Supposed advantage.  IS4, ST-I, KV4, that shitty line can keep its gun depression because it actually needs all the help possible. 

A solution to this, would be to start 'easternizing' western tanks, as they have 'westernized' eastern tanks.  Sort of like Super conqueror and FV421 Chieftain. Super conqueror side armour was greatly increased compared to FV215B and T11OE5, and Chieftain has decent side armour as well as being a fast heavy, quite a bit faster than something like AMX54 or T11OE5  -  able to keep up with tanks like IS7, 113, WZ5A. 

- increase western tank side armours to chinese and RU levels.  Leo, STB1, AMX3O, Cent A X, FV215B, T57, AMX54, T11OE3/4/5, Kran

- western tanks should also be provided with side running gear plate like on Centurions, thickened to levels like IS6, as they historically used them the most

 

Moved to Metagame. -Hassie

Edited by Haswell

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5 hours ago, Haswell said:

Is there anything you just said that are actually upcoming changes? If so, source?

-8 degrees for IS-3-II and ST-II makes them equal to E5 in terms of gun depression.

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The real WTF is that you expect a F2P game to not power creep old content into the dumpster.

You should know the deal by now @Diriz0n, it's not exactly rocket science and you're an old hand:

  1. Release OP content patch
  2. Whales throw money
  3. Poorbois cry
  4. Balance patch
  5. Sleep
  6. GOTO 1
     

It's the oldest story in the book with F2P games

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6 hours ago, isterija said:

-8 degrees for IS-3-II and ST-II makes them equal to E5 in terms of gun depression.

I don't see anything in his post that even remotely hints to that thread.

Moving thread to Metagame.

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7 hours ago, Haswell said:

I don't see anything in his post that even remotely hints to that thread.

Moving thread to Metagame.

Its been going on for awhile. More and more chinese and soviet machines, getting freebie gun depression upgrades.

SahmLochart just posted wotNAforums the IS3-II and STI-II supertest. I guess I did not mention them directly, but the post is not solely about them, but this stupid new trend

By Diriz0n, 19 hours ago  ::with the twin barrel tanks coming out with very strong turret armour, and good gun depression, where does that leave old tanks like T11OE5::    ...This sort of hints to them, doesn't it? 

 

12 hours ago, OOPMan said:

The real WTF is that you expect a F2P game to not power creep old content into the dumpster.

You should know the deal by now @Diriz0n, it's not exactly rocket science and you're an old hand:

  1. Release OP content patch
  2. Whales throw money
  3. Poorbois cry
  4. Balance patch
  5. Sleep
  6. GOTO 1

For 1) they can release normal, or even piss poor shit. Japanese heavy tanks first released weren't good, except tiers 5-6. Light tanks were balanced in annoying ways. Chinas WZ TD line is rather poor, FV4K5 was released real bad and took ages to get its buffs.....now its a barrel fire again. AMX54 is a tier 9 tank, lol. K91 line is mediocre. Kran was mediocre too, and what 1.5yrs to fix, and some say it sill isn't. Polish line is mediocre.

....so obviously WG is capable of making mediocre or shitty new content. 

In between 3-4,  is typical 6monnths<-->2yr waiting time, as wargaming incompetently stews in whatever retarded group therapy they call balancing. Then generally that leads to really retarded decisions, that really don't make things balanced either, more of give people other things to complain about.

 

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