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Regions in Italy are estimating 4x higher COVID deaths than officially listed, when accounting for last year's daily death toll as well. A region reported 31 COVID deaths, but 158 deaths in the same period, and last years deaths in that period was half a dozen or something. Don't speak Italian so that's the best I can do. I assume there must be another 10-20,000 deaths in Italy right now that weren't officially confirmed to be COVID/due strain on service. We will see in due course some more accurate figures but that is just deeply saddening.

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1 hour ago, Ham_ said:

Regions in Italy are estimating 4x higher COVID deaths than officially listed, when accounting for last year's daily death toll as well. A region reported 31 COVID deaths, but 158 deaths in the same period, and last years deaths in that period was half a dozen or something. Don't speak Italian so that's the best I can do. I assume there must be another 10-20,000 deaths in Italy right now that weren't officially confirmed to be COVID/due strain on service. We will see in due course some more accurate figures but that is just deeply saddening.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/have-many-coronavirus-patients-died-italy/

“The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.”

*Mild confusion*

14 hours ago, MagicalFlyingFox said:

What difference does dying in 12 months and dying now make anyway. 

Hell, even 50 years and now. Makes no difference. You die anyway. 

:duneven: approves.

12 hours ago, sr360 said:

The best data so far comes from Iceland, which has screened 3% of their population so far and plan to screen up to 1/3. They showed that 50% of those who tested positive were asymptomatic, and that the prevalence in their general population was about 1%, and about 20% in higher risk populations. 

I found report (in Chinese) of Iceland’s deCODE Genetics have found 40 strains on their patients. This sounds worrying.

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6 hours ago, Unavailebow said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/have-many-coronavirus-patients-died-italy/

“The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.”

Data for the Nembro region, from an Italian source.

https://www.corriere.it/politica/20_marzo_26/the-real-death-toll-for-covid-19-is-at-least-4-times-the-official-numbers-b5af0edc-6eeb-11ea-925b-a0c3cdbe1130.shtml

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On 3/28/2020 at 7:33 AM, MagicalFlyingFox said:

100% of people who have injested di-hydrogen monoxoide have died. 

 

Therefore di-hydrogen monoxide kills humans. 

100% of those people will die, not have died. ;)

Edited by sr360
Holy multipost

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Yeah SR, I think something glitched.  I kept hitting “save” or whatever for the post but it didn’t seem to post.  Turned out it posted half a dozen times.  Got busy elsewhere, forgot to fix it; thanks.

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If there are multiple strains of the corona virus, does this mean any immunities built up - if any - are entirely worthless, or would they perhaps provide a partial but imperfect resistance to other strains?

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14 minutes ago, FlorbFnarb said:

If there are multiple strains of the corona virus, does this mean any immunities built up - if any - are entirely worthless, or would they perhaps provide a partial but imperfect resistance to other strains?

Too early to say.

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@Haswell Tfw when you see the latest 51 confirmed case that not be sent to hospital, one of them was just few structural walls away from my flat. We don't share the same entrances but same roof, we have 5 entrances but from outside it looks like one continuous building. The one caught it was just the next entrance of mine. :feelsbad:

p.s. I blame 000000s for overshadowing this poast

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Hey if we delete 00000 will this post move back into recent

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"I find your lack of hand-washing...disturbing."

As a side note, has Never turned the wotlabs sigs into Crazy Mode or something?  Mine's saying I'm some kind of blunicum.  CAN'T HIT 55% WHILE PLAYING, BUT I FUCKING QUIT AND THE GAME STARTS SAYING I'M ALMOST PURPLE WTF.

Or did WG's data finally shit the bed?

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1 hour ago, FlorbFnarb said:

"I find your lack of hand-washing...disturbing."

As a side note, has Never turned the wotlabs sigs into Crazy Mode or something?  Mine's saying I'm some kind of blunicum.  CAN'T HIT 55% WHILE PLAYING, BUT I FUCKING QUIT AND THE GAME STARTS SAYING I'M ALMOST PURPLE WTF.

Or did WG's data finally shit the bed?

look at the date....

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Oh, I get what you're saying.  No, it isn't an April Fool's thing.  Mine has been saying I have a purple WR for months now.  And I don't.  I promise you, I don't.

11 minutes ago, PityFool said:

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stockholm's spreading rapidly, plenty of deaths daily now - among both the elderly, otherwisely sick and even healthy 40-50yo's. Åre (the ski resort) also has had a pretty giant outbreak because swedes on their dumb ski trips (duh) didn't take the issue seriously.

Short of Stockholm though Sweden is doing okay, the people working in healthcare really deserve a raise doing this work to prevent the world from collapsing. Mom's a BVC doc (dunno if that says anything to you non-swedes but it's basically specialised in babies/very young children and even those docs are getting their vacations pulled as they need all hands on deck to handle this - which is rumoured to come as a direct order from the state which generally doesn't happen in Sweden. I think Sweden is the only country where if the government recommends something, but doesn't actually make a law out of it - people still listen and abide which is the strategy the government normally uses, and did now until realising it didn't quite reach everyone and have now started with firmer actions. The 1,5m rule isn't really followed in grocery store lines etc but it works for our public transport and just in general. Restaurants/bars have been ordered to limit their occupance to 50 people or less now, meaning the smaller "pub" and themed bars can remain open as they generally never cross 30 at the same time, but for most restaurants it means closing down shop until this gets better.

Every 5th person or so I see wears a mask of some kind, but in general I've been seeing just way less people. I've been enjoying being outside in usually public areas generally crowded, having it all to myself and peace and quiet. 

My uni schedule basically means the quarantine and distancing doesn't really affect me anyway, it's how I used to live before the outbreak anyway. I am enjoying being outside more now though with less people around, I don't know if anyone noticed it similar but the air I'm breathing feels fresher outside than before? It feels nicer to be outside, even though my anxiety regarding unnecessary people in the vicinity exists it's still so nice to enjoy the spring with actual peace and quiet. It's like the city went to sleep and I have to say that I enjoy that better than before. I don't think this is positive by any mean, it's definitely a super horrible event - but for me so far I have been liking life more, not less since the outbreak wierdly enough.

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@kolni my understanding is that Sweden mucked up their response -- they didn't act aggressively and decisively enough early on, and now are outpacing their Scandinavian neighbors in terms of cases and are bracing for a swarm of cases. Over here our hospital acted to close down elective care and went to full WFH 3 weeks ago now, restaurants have been closed for 3 weeks other than take out and we went to full lockdown 2 weeks ago too. All parks are closed, grocery stores are limiting people inside at one time. And it seems to be working. Hopefully. 

I'm on standby too in case the hospital gets slammed. Hoping it doesn't happen.

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31 minutes ago, sr360 said:

@kolni my understanding is that Sweden mucked up their response -- they didn't act aggressively and decisively enough early on, and now are outpacing their Scandinavian neighbors in terms of cases and are bracing for a swarm of cases. Over here our hospital acted to close down elective care and went to full WFH 3 weeks ago now, restaurants have been closed for 3 weeks other than take out and we went to full lockdown 2 weeks ago too. All parks are closed, grocery stores are limiting people inside at one time. And it seems to be working. Hopefully. 

I'm on standby too in case the hospital gets slammed. Hoping it doesn't happen.

Stockholm is really bad, and Åre, but outside of that the still "big" cities in Sweden have relatively low numbers. Very many people are angry that our "experts" in the field didn't do anything basically because he never thought he'd have to do his actual job. Whatever the position is called that he's in, basically says that we're going to endure the virus by these measures. 

Police will shut down any form of bar/club/pub/restaurants with more than 50 people. This is not an issue for the smaller places as they never pack 50 people anyway, but now restaurants and food vendors in general will stop working and it's like Sweden is shutting down along with the virus. 

The official statement was to keep 1,5m disttance and preferably use masks, stay home 2 days extra if you are sick before you come back etc, no plans what so ever to fight the virus, Nowhere near enough hospital beds here, it'll take a week or two and then doctors are going to have to choose who lives. This is mainly around the STHLM area, 

The ridiculous attitude from the minister that was supposed to lead the  fight against this thing that never thought he'd have to work...

 

These measures should've been taken several weeks ago but we barely got any information from official channels. A problem is that many of the immigrants seeking asylum and visas don't get the news. We have Somali and Arab channels trying to expand the reach as it's hard to communicate the situation with a language barrier. Many also have very little faith in the government and rarely trust what's been seen on the news even on neutral channels. The problem we have in STHLM mostly is that everyone living here actually needs to get this information and immediately start taking precautions. Reach is a problem here, but where I live is very calm and collected, streets are emptier and stuff but the city's still running like normal except for bus drivers. 

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3 hours ago, PityFool said:

20% Global death rate at the time of this post.

That's a slight misnomer given that deaths happen a lot quicker in the evolution of the case than does recovery. So using the deaths:recovered ratio is never going to accurate while things are moving quickly. Off the top of my head I think the numbers are death is likely in the first 2 weeks while full recovery takes up to 6 weeks. Our resident medical experts can proabably shed more light onto this.

IIRC the overall death rate is trending toward ~1% from expert opinion.

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