Carro Combattimento 45t - Clan Wars reward tier X Medium auto loader

[arthurwellsley 132]

The new tier X medium Italian auto reloader will be available for the first time in the Renaissance clan wars event 11th January 2021 through to 25th January 2021 on the EU server awarded to the top 11,500 players in the event for the sum of 4,000 bonds.

Handsome looking tank. Strong front turret (but not sides).

Better dpm but worse gun handling than the Progetto 65 tech tree tier X Italian medium tank. Higher alpha but lower penetration on the standard rounds between the 45t and the 65. The 45t has better armour than the 65. The proposition is that the Caro Combattimento 45t is a better brawler than the Progetto 65.

Is the Caro Combattimento 45t superior to the Object 907 or will the 907 remain the most used CW tank?

Will the Caro Combattimento 45t be allowed in brawl 7v7 mode? If so will a platoon of 45t dominate?

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[churchill50 26]

In my opinion, the Carro will be the best of the three Italian tier 10s. 

The Rhinoceronte is held back far too much by the horrible bloom and trash DPM.

The Progetto these days is held back by being a paper med without the gun handling or DPM to really make that work. Both the Rhinoceronte and Progetto have the double downside of low DPM, and gun handling that won't let them effectively or consistently use that limited DPM. Those two downsides together really do make for a painful experience.

This thing will have better DPM + better alpha than the Progetto. At the same time, it has the armor to allow it to sit hulldown, which will mitigate the downside of the worse gun handling (compared to the Progetto). In addition, it has decent mobility.

 

On 1/6/2021 at 7:50 AM, arthurwellsley said:

Is the Caro Combattimento 45t superior to the Object 907 or will the 907 remain the most used CW tank?

Will the Caro Combattimento 45t be allowed in brawl 7v7 mode? If so will a platoon of 45t dominate?

For your first question, no. Not only no, but hell no. There is no way this thing will be clan wars meta, much less replace the 907. It will be a pretty decent pubstomper, and that's about it.

Since WG hasn't banned any reward tanks from Brawl, I have no idea why they would ban the Carro. And almost any tank can dominate 7v7 when in a triple platoon of decent players.

[lavawing 498]

4 hours ago, churchill50 said:

For your first question, no. Not only no, but hell no. There is no way this thing will be clan wars meta, much less replace the 907. It will be a pretty decent pubstomper, and that's about it.

Why not? Gun dep plus some resistance to 340 pen HEAT on top of a 4 round clip should give it both staying power and burst and it will be able to use locations normally reserved for Chieftains.

I could see it being quite powerful in packs of 3 or 4. What will really hurt it, however, is the low sustained DPM. 

[churchill50 26]

12 hours ago, lavawing said:

Why not? Gun dep plus some resistance to 340 pen HEAT on top of a 4 round clip should give it both staying power and burst and it will be able to use locations normally reserved for Chieftains.

I could see it being quite powerful in packs of 3 or 4. What will really hurt it, however, is the low sustained DPM. 

I could see it being used in a couple of positions, maybe.

The big issue is that DPM, which is a huge thing in CW.

If you're playing in a Chieftain position, you'd rather have a Chieftain just because of that DPM difference.

If you want the clip, you'd rather have a 50B that takes 26-27 seconds to reload, not 45. 

If you want to wolfpack, then 907/140/277/260/Chieftain for the DPM.

It's not a bad tank. The issue is that it has no place in the CW meta. 

 

That's probably not the best way to explain it. But I'm too tired to phrase it better. Hopefully it answers your question though?

@Deus__Ex__Machina could probably explain it much better than I can.

[MagicalFlyingFox 1,022]

Sounds like picking one of these is like picking a 121 over a 907.

[lavawing 498]

55 minutes ago, MagicalFlyingFox said:

Sounds like picking one of these is like picking a 121 over a 907.

121 is the best choice against shit clans tho

instead of having 140s and 907s and 277s like any sane person would,  bring TVPs, UDES, 121s and 121Bs to rub the salt in

[LetsMakeTheMagic 8]

First tanks have been given out to the lucky winners.

I watched some of Stanlocks stream and the Carro looks pretty promising. Can't tell what his verdict is but gameplaywise it looks way more solid than Rhinoceronte. Looking forward to more EU streamers getting the tank.

[lavawing 498]

2 hours ago, LetsMakeTheMagic said:

First tanks have been given out to the lucky winners.

I watched some of Stanlocks stream and the Carro looks pretty promising. Can't tell what his verdict is but gameplaywise it looks way more solid than Rhinoceronte. Looking forward to more EU streamers getting the tank.

Damned with faint praise.

[LetsMakeTheMagic 8]

Watched Daki playing it yesterday and encountered some of them myself.

Sometimes I wonder how these bobs get such tanks and I don't.

According to Daki it is stronger thann Progetto 65 but weaker than 907. So definetly not a requirement for CW. This time it looks to be really well balanced to be kinda strong in Randoms but not strong enough to be required to get into a decent clan.

That's a huge relief.

[Snoregasm2 646]

I played a few games yesterday. My first reaction is holy fuck tier 10 MM is still AIDS, but putting aside that unpleasant feeling (and the shitty performances stemming from it), it feels like a cross between a pre-nerf Progetto (due to better DPM), Char Futur 4 (due to 4 second intra-clip) and a Cent AX (due to troll turret armour). It's hull can bounce as well, but the turret is surprisngly good, and gets really good when using your gun dep.

It's absolutely massive though (camo seemed fine however), and it is obviously arty bait due to that + new tank factor.

Gun is surprisingly comfortable with that aimtime. Not nearly as bad as I feared (running standard V stab and standard IRM). 4 second intraclip probably helps with that.

Mobility is fine as well.

If anything, it feels like a really good all-rounder, and perhaps the most flexible autoloader in the game due to it's decent armour.

I think all autoloaders/autoreloaders tend to punch above their nominal DPM weight anyway, but i'd say this is a solid 7/10 for randoms. No use for CW though.

[TheMarine0341 4,972]

@Snoregasm2 is pretty much spot on - 7/10 pubber, 0/10 CW usefulness. Strong but not OP