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18 hours ago, hazzgar said:

I don't understand why they are doing that? HE spam is not a huge issue in the game. Very few people run crazy amounts of HE shells and when they do they do it for memes and not on all tanks on a regular basis. It's one game in 100+ that I'm annoyed by people shooting HE. I don't understand why OP is crying about HE. Just git gud. 

 

excus me, but skill4ltu, iyouxin, sirfoch, circon, orzanel, dezgamez and I am sure countless other streamer you may watch think HE is a problem. anfield said it years ago, and lemmingrush still says it. it is ver stuational, I do agree and it not encountred ever battle, but when you do it is usuall annoying and countering someone very good play in a brokn way. would you tell all those guys in ther irritation, to get good? Annoying is why they continue to change artillery, and changed Type 5 and oi, and changed FV4005

I do agree that maps, map rotate, matchmaking, tank match-up, random numbr spred are bad, but so is HE. 

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7 hours ago, Hoenn said:

excus me, but skill4ltu, iyouxin, sirfoch, circon, orzanel, dezgamez and I am sure countless other streamer you may watch think HE is a problem. anfield said it years ago, and lemmingrush still says it. it is ver stuational, I do agree and it not encountred ever battle, but when you do it is usuall annoying and countering someone very good play in a brokn way. would you tell all those guys in ther irritation, to get good? Annoying is why they continue to change artillery, and changed Type 5 and oi, and changed FV4005

I do agree that maps, map rotate, matchmaking, tank match-up, random numbr spred are bad, but so is HE. 

But why is it bad? (not trolling btw)

Yes, it does always dmg, but an E4 shooting gold will penetrate ur E100 turret face from any angle and deal 750 dmg, with HE it does 300, so what? yes an Jp-E100 shooting HE will deaal 500-600, and, with HEAT he would do 1k (and penetrate unless RNG strikes again)

Only people driving stuff like T95, 279, E3, 705a, are complaining about HE i bet, for the rest, it doesnt bother me, perhaps ebr and t49 HE, because of lame-ass penetrations, but thats a tank problem, not an HE problem.

And on low tier, its fine, the HE guns are not OP or extremely powerfull, they are just different. This new change is gonna make heavy armoured tanks invincible against HE, while tanks which need HE to be usefull (jap heavys, tier 5 derp guns, Fv 4005) will get nerfed a lot and for what? This HE change is a change for the sake of changing....

What WG instead should do is nerf gold ammo dmg 20%, APCR and HEAT should deal 20% less dmg, and guns that have APCR as base dmg need to be rebalanced accordingly (or give them AP as normal ammo)

Some tweaking left and fight (dpm, gun handling) and the overal quality of the game will greatly improve, but WG is pussy footing about that for years and years, while do they keep trying to fix a non-exsisting problem...

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It is bad because it is terriby inconsistent, in an already inconsisten game. We do not need more of it. It does not always do damage. Sometimes it does high roll, like actual 50% - and sometimes it does nothing, 0. That is terrible spread, horrid consistency. T49 and Sheridan, have a ridiculous dice roll, and span either from 450 to 0. That is no good at all. 

he goes on to explain right at beginning, trtoise take advantage of IS3, despite IS3 best attempt to prperly position himself, and tortoise counter it with HE. Is it fair, Type 5 splash VK7201 awesome side scrape for 650 damage, just shooting at hair of exposed side or tracks? No, that why they changed Type 5, people were tire of it. Yes, Jag panzer can average 500-600, I have also seen it do  0,  or 800. This is the focus of the changes, not necessary reliable damage, but consistet predictable damage. This force people to aim ther HE wisely, to gain penetrate hits, or incredibly wasteful shot. On the other side, HE from smaller guns will do applicable low HP damage when you need it, like low HP enemy or cap reset,  instead of doing  0. Like tier 8 shooting HE at IS7. 

All tanks benefit from thes changes, not just heavy armr. quickybab showing us in video he shooting ass end of 60TP, only 90mm flat, dealing consistent 40-60 damage with progetto 105mm HE ammo. 90mm is not much protection, actually the only tanks I understand will be losing effective protections are swedish TD line, which were taking new profound damages. Considerng those tank destroyers have spaced armor, or autobounce angles, I do not think it is bad either they should be taking higher damage rate against HE ammo 

HE is bad low tier, of course it is. That why they removed Cruiser II with 94mm derp cromwell has. That why they removed T18 derp. That is why they also removed T82 105 derp. That is why they +1 tier valentine AT with derp, and hell even KV2 years and year ago. HE is a problem everywhere. Arty, not just it concept, but it attacks too, is possibly the single most nerf element war gaming comes down on. What is it, artas get shit on with nerf every year? 

I do not agree with everything in these changes. There are good and bad. And do war gaming have better things to fix first? Certainly. But I think these changes are better than current HE. It will severely punish HE spammer DPM, which is already lower to begin with. This should provke them to aim more carefully, or use different ammo.

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28 minutes ago, Hoenn said:

It is bad because it is terriby inconsistent, in an already inconsisten game. We do not need more of it. It does not always do damage. Sometimes it does high roll, like actual 50% - and sometimes it does nothing, 0. That is terrible spread, horrid consistency. T49 and Sheridan, have a ridiculous dice roll, and span either from 450 to 0. That is no good at all. 

he goes on to explain right at beginning, trtoise take advantage of IS3, despite IS3 best attempt to prperly position himself, and tortoise counter it with HE. Is it fair, Type 5 splash VK7201 awesome side scrape for 650 damage, just shooting at hair of exposed side or tracks? No, that why they changed Type 5, people were tire of it. Yes, Jag panzer can average 500-600, I have also seen it do  0,  or 800. This is the focus of the changes, not necessary reliable damage, but consistet predictable damage. This force people to aim ther HE wisely, to gain penetrate hits, or incredibly wasteful shot. On the other side, HE from smaller guns will do applicable low HP damage when you need it, like low HP enemy or cap reset,  instead of doing  0. Like tier 8 shooting HE at IS7. 

All tanks benefit from thes changes, not just heavy armr. quickybab showing us in video he shooting ass end of 60TP, only 90mm flat, dealing consistent 40-60 damage with progetto 105mm HE ammo. 90mm is not much protection, actually the only tanks I understand will be losing effective protections are swedish TD line, which were taking new profound damages. Considerng those tank destroyers have spaced armor, or autobounce angles, I do not think it is bad either they should be taking higher damage rate against HE ammo 

HE is bad low tier, of course it is. That why they removed Cruiser II with 94mm derp cromwell has. That why they removed T18 derp. That is why they also removed T82 105 derp. That is why they +1 tier valentine AT with derp, and hell even KV2 years and year ago. HE is a problem everywhere. Arty, not just it concept, but it attacks too, is possibly the single most nerf element war gaming comes down on. What is it, artas get shit on with nerf every year? 

I do not agree with everything in these changes. There are good and bad. And do war gaming have better things to fix first? Certainly. But I think these changes are better than current HE. It will severely punish HE spammer DPM, which is already lower to begin with. This should provke them to aim more carefully, or use different ammo.

HE is not inconsistent you are just bad about understanding the mechanic. You are using your lack of knowledge to explain something not working. 

 

Also so what a tortoise and type5 can deal damage with HE to other tanks? HE gimps your performance and very few players carry more than 2-5 rounds of HE outside of meming. So it's not a widespread problem. 

 

You even admit that HE already punishes your DPM and you are already benefiting from aiming with HE when you spam it. Git Gud instead of spreading BS theories. HE has some problems but none of the ones you mention. Others did it better here.

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I fail to see how this will make HE more consistent. It makes it even worse!?

Shitbarn does more full damage shots, and more zero damage shots. How is that good? If anything, it needs to do the opposite. Less extremes. 

And how are lower caliber guns now better with HE? All this does is make them worse AP when they can pen, and useless when they can't.

It' s a parody. 

If they dont wanna see HE100, HEFoch, HE60tp or whatever, they should just remove that ammo type from those tanks and be done with it. Like they did with AP SPG.

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Under normal circumstances, this would be a non-issue. If some tomato in an E3 chucks HE at center mass and does say 300 damage he's only cheating himself out of the 750 that should have been dealt by one of the other shell types. The only way that the HE tactic gets ahead is if the other shell types have very low odds of success. Otherwise, HE consistently loses in the long run. If HE really has become an actual threat to the high tier meta, that would mean something has gone terribly wrong with the conventional AP/APCR/HEAT performance against typical armor profiles.

As of the odd detail that HE no longer causes splash damage (cue memes about non-exploding HE), this smells to me that they're trying to shoehorn arta back into relevance as the magic solution to the 'camping' problem. Good luck with that.

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14 hours ago, hazzgar said:

HE is not inconsistent you are just bad about understanding the mechanic. You are using your lack of knowledge to explain something not working. 

 

Also so what a tortoise and type5 can deal damage with HE to other tanks? HE gimps your performance and very few players carry more than 2-5 rounds of HE outside of meming. So it's not a widespread problem. 

 

You even admit that HE already punishes your DPM and you are already benefiting from aiming with HE when you spam it. Git Gud instead of spreading BS theories. HE has some problems but none of the ones you mention. Others did it better here.

I carry 17 HE in my 60TP for both pubs and ranked :bigdoge::doge: :minidoge:  :microdoge:  :nanodoge:

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22 hours ago, hazzgar said:

HE is not inconsistent you are just bad about understanding the mechanic. You are using your lack of knowledge to explain something not working. 

 

Also so what a tortoise and type5 can deal damage with HE to other tanks? HE gimps your performance and very few players carry more than 2-5 rounds of HE outside of meming. So it's not a widespread problem. 

 

You even admit that HE already punishes your DPM and you are already benefiting from aiming with HE when you spam it. Git Gud instead of spreading BS theories. HE has some problems but none of the ones you mention. Others did it better here.

Why are you such a bully? Wer you spank too hard as a child? Why are you so full of it? Dude, you average 2,600 blue stats in many tanks, and you talk shit like you have every tank in the game thrd mark. Go into training room, shoot the same spot with HE and you get different results every fucking time. Some will hit 50%, some will do complet 0.  only retarded people say HE is consistent, when HE pen, it is consistent. Go into training room and see it yourself. I am not comparing your hot air to what I have to say. I am comparing it to what I got, out of iyouxin's movie, legit stuff I believe. If you are saying he is retarded and needs to get good, you are stupid shit inded

You must be the same retarded shiter that says EBR and arta are great for the game, and RNG should be 40% not 25

 

If you cannot post without making yourself like a fool that's frustrated and foaming at the mouth, then don't. Disagree on content with actual points or fuck off.

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21 hours ago, Hoenn said:

It is bad because it is terriby inconsistent, in an already inconsisten game. We do not need more of it. It does not always do damage. Sometimes it does high roll, like actual 50% - and sometimes it does nothing, 0. That is terrible spread, horrid consistency. T49 and Sheridan, have a ridiculous dice roll, and span either from 450 to 0. That is no good at all. 

he goes on to explain right at beginning, trtoise take advantage of IS3, despite IS3 best attempt to prperly position himself, and tortoise counter it with HE. Is it fair, Type 5 splash VK7201 awesome side scrape for 650 damage, just shooting at hair of exposed side or tracks? No, that why they changed Type 5, people were tire of it. Yes, Jag panzer can average 500-600, I have also seen it do  0,  or 800. This is the focus of the changes, not necessary reliable damage, but consistet predictable damage. This force people to aim ther HE wisely, to gain penetrate hits, or incredibly wasteful shot. On the other side, HE from smaller guns will do applicable low HP damage when you need it, like low HP enemy or cap reset,  instead of doing  0. Like tier 8 shooting HE at IS7. 

All tanks benefit from thes changes, not just heavy armr. quickybab showing us in video he shooting ass end of 60TP, only 90mm flat, dealing consistent 40-60 damage with progetto 105mm HE ammo. 90mm is not much protection, actually the only tanks I understand will be losing effective protections are swedish TD line, which were taking new profound damages. Considerng those tank destroyers have spaced armor, or autobounce angles, I do not think it is bad either they should be taking higher damage rate against HE ammo 

HE is bad low tier, of course it is. That why they removed Cruiser II with 94mm derp cromwell has. That why they removed T18 derp. That is why they also removed T82 105 derp. That is why they +1 tier valentine AT with derp, and hell even KV2 years and year ago. HE is a problem everywhere. Arty, not just it concept, but it attacks too, is possibly the single most nerf element war gaming comes down on. What is it, artas get shit on with nerf every year? 

I do not agree with everything in these changes. There are good and bad. And do war gaming have better things to fix first? Certainly. But I think these changes are better than current HE. It will severely punish HE spammer DPM, which is already lower to begin with. This should provke them to aim more carefully, or use different ammo.

His/yours arguments are silly.

Explosive shell is a tool, just like spaced side armor is a tool for players to use. You need to have the skill to know when and how to use the tools you are given. Removing tools equals removing options, equals dumbing down the game. 

That Tortoise used his tools well, and IS-3 made a mistake in positioning. Wtf was that actually? Got perma tracked and died like a noob. Result would have been the same with AP. Tort would just track, move a bit to the left and crush that IS3 with DPM. Shooting HE just made the whole process longer... 

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10 hours ago, lavawing said:

I carry 17 HE in my 60TP for both pubs and ranked :bigdoge::doge: :minidoge:  :microdoge:  :nanodoge:

60TP is an exception tho. It carries stupid amount of ammo and has amazing HE. 

6 hours ago, Hoenn said:

Why are you such a bully? Wer you spank too hard as a child? Why are you so full of it? Dude, you average 2,600 blue stats in many tanks, and you talk shit like you have every tank in the game thrd mark. Go into training room, shoot the same spot with HE and you get different results every fucking time. Some will hit 50%, some will do complet 0.  only retarded people say HE is consistent, when HE pen, it is consistent. Go into training room and see it yourself. I am not comparing your hot air to what I have to say. I am comparing it to what I got, out of iyouxin's movie, legit stuff I believe. If you are saying he is retarded and needs to get good, you are stupid shit inded

You must be the same retarded shiter that says EBR and arta are great for the game, and RNG should be 40% not 25

 

If you cannot post without making yourself like a fool that's frustrated and foaming at the mouth, then don't. Disagree on content with actual points or fuck off.

Private_Miros

Dude I play on an 11 inch monitor on min settings which cuts my WR by 4%, I'm a horrible person who sells accounts so my old one was a comfortable 61/3000 when I was worse than now. Still even If I was a teal/blue shitter I would still not post stupid shit. Also I can easily 3 mark every non t10 tank. T10 are a struggle on a small 11 inch screen since t10 requires better aim. 

Also yes you shoot the same spot and you get different dmg roll for the same reason when you fire AP you get different damage rolls. You do realize +25/-25% rng rolls on dmg? HE is also affected by Pen values so it has 2 RNG rolls. Again your lack of knowledge doesn't make the mechanic stupid. 

 

Also I'm not saying Iyouxin is not smart, I like the dude very much and I watch him frequently.. I am saying you are bad at understanding what people say and what people miss (and Iyouxin can be wrong about the game even if he is an amazing player. Ffs Orzy doesn't give a fuck about game mechanics and still plays at a very high level)  Still I'm a professional forecaster who gets paid for interpreting data and you are just an internet blow hard so suck it. 

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Most of the HE hate in WoT stems from arty and certain tanks balanced around HE spam (183/4005/derps ect.)

obviously these HE changes dont really fix these tanks and their issues, and are honestly just a half assed workaround that comes with its own downsides. but tbh half the time we can only expect a half hearted attempt from WG when it comes to balancing the game anyway.

These HE changes punish the few who blatantly spam HE at everything, while rewarding those who use it intelligently against soft targets. but also gimp soft tanks as a whole against HE, while also gimping heavily HE reliant tanks (T49/sheridan/KV-2 ect.) while also lessening HE's affects against hulldown gods/armored bunkers and also securing low HP kills/resetting cap.

its a 50/50 in my book, some of the effects are nice while others are shit. but in the end the real issue is arty, which as far as i understand it these changes dont affect arty at all. As for the 183/4005, they cant be balanced unless they have their guns completely changed as a whole. 

 

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On 2/13/2021 at 6:35 AM, Hoenn said:

It is bad because it is terriby inconsistent, in an already inconsisten game. We do not need more of it. It does not always do damage. Sometimes it does high roll, like actual 50% - and sometimes it does nothing, 0. That is terrible spread, horrid consistency. T49 and Sheridan, have a ridiculous dice roll, and span either from 450 to 0. That is no good at all. 

If the inconsistency bothers you, why are you here? The entire game is built around a +/- 25% RNG roll. 

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9 hours ago, Deus__Ex__Machina said:

Most of the HE hate in WoT stems from arty and certain tanks balanced around HE spam (183/4005/derps ect.)

obviously these HE changes dont really fix these tanks and their issues, and are honestly just a half assed workaround that comes with its own downsides. but tbh half the time we can only expect a half hearted attempt from WG when it comes to balancing the game anyway.

These HE changes punish the few who blatantly spam HE at everything, while rewarding those who use it intelligently against soft targets. but also gimp soft tanks as a whole against HE, while also gimping heavily HE reliant tanks (T49/sheridan/KV-2 ect.) while also lessening HE's affects against hulldown gods/armored bunkers and also securing low HP kills/resetting cap.

its a 50/50 in my book, some of the effects are nice while others are shit. but in the end the real issue is arty, which as far as i understand it these changes dont affect arty at all. As for the 183/4005, they cant be balanced unless they have their guns completely changed as a whole. 

 

It also completely fucks over people who use HE intelligently at over-armoured tanks and are forced to do so because their tanks have shit prem pen.

Making weakspot-less tanks more broken is not the way to go and I'll prolly never touch 9s and 10s with a kilometre long pole if the changes end up happening. 

That said, I'm fairly confident they won't/can't touch HE in the end because the KV-2/KV-2 (R) exists, but who knows, they might just make an exception for the KV-2s and move forward with the changes to everything else.

 

 

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Playing 60TP this weekend I had a game on lakeville where me and my platoon mate encountered 2 other 60tps in the corridor. 

We spammed HE at each other for 10 minutes. It was a very boring experience and this ordeal will take even longer after the HE damage is getting reduced. An array of unpenetrateable tanks lobbing HE shells at each others pixels chewing down 2,4k HP with 50 damage a shot. Sounds like fun and engaging gaming experience. 

Even less people will play Heavy Tanks. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, LetsMakeTheMagic said:

Playing 60TP this weekend I had a game on lakeville where me and my platoon mate encountered 2 other 60tps in the corridor. 

We spammed HE at each other for 10 minutes. It was a very boring experience and this ordeal will take even longer after the HE damage is getting reduced. An array of unpenetrateable tanks lobbing HE shells at each others pixels chewing down 2,4k HP with 50 damage a shot. Sounds like fun and engaging gaming experience. 

Even less people will play Heavy Tanks. 

 

 

I agree the problem is weakspots going to hell. Another one is overall T10 accuracy becoming better due to handling powercreep. I think WG have painted themselves into a corner with heavies and there is no easy solution to get out of it and what's worse WG doesn't know they are in that corner. Essentially the whole game needs a total balance. All tanks. 

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For me this is a double sided sword.

Less HE damage means aiming at weakspots is getting more important which forces players to show their own weakspots for a longer period of time.

The 60TP has weakspots which can reliable be shot and penetrated with APCR if you as a player need to aim shots at weakspots. Take the heavy corner fap on Ghost town as an example.

I encountered an enemy chief there in my 60tp. If I try to aim at his hatch (which no good chief player would allow) I expose my hatches which he has absolutely no problem penetrating.

At the moment I just need to get out quickly - aim the shot somewhere at his turret and get back to safety - easy 300 dmg. So I was able to pin him down so he couldn't annihalate the rest of my bot team. This won't be possible after the rework bc. he wouldn't give a fuck about 50 damage and just push to the pile of rubble in front of me and fuck me over with his superior dpm.

This issue is blatant when fighting 279s or chiefs which are broken and will get even stronger after the rework. Nobody can fathom all the repercussions these changes will bring. The sandbox is a measure to try to understand them but it just shows they simply have no clue what they are actually doing.

In the end we will just have to roll with it. Adapt and overcome like the arty rework. 

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At best, this HE change is just more bullshitting from WG where they keep stringing every one along that they really care about "rebalancing" the game so people feel ok about spending money on it. I suspect this is the case, because this change doesn't even feel serious. Decent odds they had no real intention of taking this to live.

At worst, this is intended to push more gold spam at high tiers as part of their original sandbox heavy tank derpathon vision. In which case... well, it seems to be a 50/50 split among the main forum blob, so they'll probably go ahead with it.

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pushing gold spam has occur for years now. By making better scaled premium ammunition from tanks like 52 LIS, which gain monstrous muzzle velocity.  or giving really poor pen to other new ones as GSOR and bourque, making many just spam premium. Also with up armour cupolas and smaller weakness, why not, gold spam. It technicly also a free rammer slot, because less aiming means more firing. quick  firing. I like these HE changes, though I think the  -through-  penetrations need some fixes. I like how they made HE get entirely swallow by tracks at acute angle, or gun mantlet hit. I think it keeps any utility it supposd to have, as long as you aim and actually hit tank box model,  not space armr or tracks or gun. Somethin like LT432 will 9 time of 10, fail to do damage to IS7 turret right now,  back to back 0  damage in training room.  But in sandbo test, it will do damage, if you do not strike  tracks or gun mantle. This is utility, perfect for cap reset or  kill off 10HP guy left. The opportunity people lose in HE spam for free damage, they gain in new oppotunit with HE passes through obstacles or tracks perpendicular, and penetrating hull behind. 

 

And all I heard was excuses. Oh, monitor size. Nice. You tell yourself that. Teal, and you tell others to get good. Nice. People print 4K damage accounts like candy now. 3K is old news, and nice, Mr I tell other to get good, does what people do in tier 8 with 10s. I have been told I can't insult you, fair enough. But I don't have to respect you. You play trash. you speak about understanding, but can't understand nothing yourself to apply it. A professional data analyst forecaster, who ....can affords an 11in monitor. What hot air. You don't deserve to say cliché, get good. 

Get good yourself,  nub

And go ahead, be bullies. That why this forum is same 11 guys, posting for years. Adult fan club, no new guys. Xenophobes 

Like looking at his post history, so many insults. And I say one thing in defense from a blue who hardly manages 2014 damages in his tens, then makes excuses from it right after, and moderator strike. Nice. Like this is 2021, bullying? 

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20 minutes ago, Hoenn said:

pushing gold spam has occur for years now. By making better scaled premium ammunition from tanks like 52 LIS, which gain monstrous muzzle velocity.  or giving really poor pen to other new ones as GSOR and bourque, making many just spam premium. Also with up armour cupolas and smaller weakness, why not, gold spam. It technicly also a free rammer slot, because less aiming means more firing. quick  firing. I like these HE changes, though I think the  -through-  penetrations need some fixes. I like how they made HE get entirely swallow by tracks at acute angle, or gun mantlet hit. I think it keeps any utility it supposd to have, as long as you aim and actually hit tank box model,  not space armr or tracks or gun. Somethin like LT432 will 9 time of 10, fail to do damage to IS7 turret right now,  back to back 0  damage in training room.  But in sandbo test, it will do damage, if you do not strike  tracks or gun mantle. This is utility, perfect for cap reset or  kill off 10HP guy left. The opportunity people lose in HE spam for free damage, they gain in new oppotunit with HE passes through obstacles or tracks perpendicular, and penetrating hull behind. 

 

And all I heard was excuses. Oh, monitor size. Nice. You tell yourself that. Teal, and you tell others to get good. Nice. People print 4K damage accounts like candy now. 3K is old news, and nice, Mr I tell other to get good, does what people do in tier 8 with 10s. I have been told I can't insult you, fair enough. But I don't have to respect you. You play trash. you speak about understanding, but can't understand nothing yourself to apply it. A professional data analyst forecaster, who ....can affords an 11in monitor. What hot air. You don't deserve to say cliché, get good. 

Get good yourself,  nub

And go ahead, be bullies. That why this forum is same 11 guys, posting for years. Adult fan club, no new guys. Xenophobes 

Like looking at his post history, so many insults. And I say one thing in defense from a blue who hardly manages 2014 damages in his tens, then makes excuses from it right after, and moderator strike. Nice. Like this is 2021, bullying? 

Good sir, never stop. You're not quite at Diriz0000000n's level but with your talents I am certain you will get there eventually. I wish you luck.

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1 minute ago, lavawing said:

Good sir, never stop. You're not quite at Diriz0000000n's level but with your talents I am certain you will get there eventually. I wish you luck.

Should we make a book club for him too?

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3 hours ago, Hoenn said:

pushing gold spam has occur for years now. By making better scaled premium ammunition from tanks like 52 LIS, which gain monstrous muzzle velocity.  or giving really poor pen to other new ones as GSOR and bourque, making many just spam premium. Also with up armour cupolas and smaller weakness, why not, gold spam. It technicly also a free rammer slot, because less aiming means more firing. quick  firing. I like these HE changes, though I think the  -through-  penetrations need some fixes. I like how they made HE get entirely swallow by tracks at acute angle, or gun mantlet hit. I think it keeps any utility it supposd to have, as long as you aim and actually hit tank box model,  not space armr or tracks or gun. Somethin like LT432 will 9 time of 10, fail to do damage to IS7 turret right now,  back to back 0  damage in training room.  But in sandbo test, it will do damage, if you do not strike  tracks or gun mantle. This is utility, perfect for cap reset or  kill off 10HP guy left. The opportunity people lose in HE spam for free damage, they gain in new oppotunit with HE passes through obstacles or tracks perpendicular, and penetrating hull behind. 

 

And all I heard was excuses. Oh, monitor size. Nice. You tell yourself that. Teal, and you tell others to get good. Nice. People print 4K damage accounts like candy now. 3K is old news, and nice, Mr I tell other to get good, does what people do in tier 8 with 10s. I have been told I can't insult you, fair enough. But I don't have to respect you. You play trash. you speak about understanding, but can't understand nothing yourself to apply it. A professional data analyst forecaster, who ....can affords an 11in monitor. What hot air. You don't deserve to say cliché, get good. 

Get good yourself,  nub

And go ahead, be bullies. That why this forum is same 11 guys, posting for years. Adult fan club, no new guys. Xenophobes 

Like looking at his post history, so many insults. And I say one thing in defense from a blue who hardly manages 2014 damages in his tens, then makes excuses from it right after, and moderator strike. Nice. Like this is 2021, bullying? 

Bro you ever thought to yourself that maybe the reason people don't like you is because you make yourself out to not be liked.

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I'm a recent addition to the forum and I can't say the people here are xenophobes. Most of them are really helpful and share lots of good advice which you can't say about the rest of the playerbase so I avoid the official forums like the plague.

They have strong oppinions about the game, which they are allowed to have playing for so long and at that level.

If you can't respect that don't expect any respect in return.

You have some valid points which make sense but these won't validate all of your thesis.

Ofc. they try to push their T8 sales by making T10 stupidly expensive. Ofc. they handicap all new premium tanks with shit standard pen so that you use more gold ammo therefore more boosters (which aren't given out for free like they used to). T8 is the backbone of the game which they are killing right now but you won't change anything by insulting and calling out people here. 

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10 hours ago, Hoenn said:

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But in sandbo (sic) test, it will do damage, if you do not strike  tracks or gun mantle. This is utility, perfect for cap reset

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Few things show your lack of understanding as good, as this one line. You currently do not need to deal HP-damage to reset a cap. It's perfectly sufficient to just hit the tracks, be that with AP, APCR, HEAT, HE or HESH.

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