Fire_Hive

AMX M4 mle. 45

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I switched to the 105 and gold spam for the +10% damage.  It's better. The tier 8 is not good.  If it were for strongholds and tolerant clan mates, I would have free xp to the tier 9.

 

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The 105mm is essentially 25% of the grind to the AMX 65. Is it really worth it?

 

EDIT: Just got out of a battle where I was top tier on Westfield. Within 2 minutes I was spotted by an MT-25 and lost 800 hit points, tracks, gun, radioman to arty. I don't feel I've ever had my patience tested like this since I grinded the T28 from stock.

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105mm (esp. with gold) is the way to go. With the 90mm you're just a slow, gimped Tiger H without the dpm or gun handling. With 300/330 alpha you can at least trade semi-reliably.

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Grinding this for a second time, this time without prem account, for the 65t.

I toughed it out the first time with the long 90mm to save creds (i.e. not be tempted to 22 my problems).

 

This time around? I remember why I missed this tank while grinding 4502 A.

Because it would have made 4502 A feel OP as hell.

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Just finished grinding the AMX 65t, and as i've already also researched and unlocked the AMX 50 100 I can safely say bon voyage to this oversized Maginot Line and to ask this "tank" to go choke on a stale baguette.

because there's really no redeeming feature about this tank other than being so "French". I'd even rather be in a Black Prince than this tank, since at least the BP has relatively better armor.  I mostly used the 90mm gun, and it's just absurd how mediocre the firepower this tank has compared to even against same tier medium tanks. Because that seems to be how the tank is suggested to be played.

The only German inspiration in its design from the Tiger is the size and shite mobility. I hesitate to use the 105 because I don't want to spend more than I have to while playing this tank, and the idea of missing shots (not that the 90mm doesn't) while trying to compensate for the low AP pen by spamming prem isn't appealing to me.

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If you had used the 105 and spammed gold you would have looked back fondly on this tank. Now you are cursed to find a worse insult for the 65t.

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So I recently, for some strange reason, decided to grind out a French heavy tank line, and have thus just finished the long grind to unlock both tier 8s from this tank. It's...manageable. As others have noted, I can still confirm that the 105mm gun, with fairly liberal usage of gold ammunition (which does increase damage done) is reasonable for the tier. The gun handling isn't great but is okay. Mobility is okay, which does help (probably the most hilarious was using it to circle a Type 4 Heavy to death on the top of the Mali hill) it play a little bit like a heavium, meaning you can run with the medium tanks sometimes when bottom tier.

The armour is terrible though, and the tank is huge. You regularly get wrecked by arty and any HE spamming tanks. The trick is definately finding a way to avoid attention/being shot at but keeping the gun in play, where it can deal decent amounts of damage.

Overall stats for me is 90 games, 61.11% win rate, 1,364 average damage (lowest of my tier 7 heavies).

Now face the interesting prospect of trying to decide whether to go up the AMX M4 line or go the Autoloader line...

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The tier 9 on the AMX M4 line is better than the 50 120, but (having not played the AMX M4 54) I'd rather be in a 50B. The reason is that the AMX M4 54 has having two underwhelming guns to choose from. The 120mm makes you a subpar Super Conq with low DPM, while the 130mm makes you unable to reliably pen the enemy with its *GASP* 280mm of premium ammo pen. The tank itself is sloid, and its one of the better chassis the French line gets. However, the gun selection for a tier X is abysmal and the defining trait of the tank (which should be its niche 130mm) is all but useless. At least you can overmatch STRV's, though.

It's as though every time WG wants to make armor relevant again, they introduce a French tank (Foch B, nerf to AMX 30/30B, AMX M4 54) with poor pen and then go back to putting Bobjects and Badgers in the game.

Tier 8: 50 100 >> AMX 65t

Tier 9: AMX M4 51 >>> AMX 50 120

Tier X: 50B > AMX M4 51

Top tier in a 3/5/7 match? You'll kick butt in the AMX M4 54, especially with the 130mm. If you're in an all tier X match? You'd probably rather be in a 50B.

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