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Getting Better – The Brutal, Simple, and Timely Way by Kewei

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Please forgive any editing/formatting errors in this one: I'm sick as a dog today and will go back and fix things when I'm more clear-headed.

 

As a newb and having only just reached tier 5, this sounds like great advice. I just don't know what line to go down to get there the fastest!

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I have to admit... I started playing my Tier 9s and 10s more during last months and my WR and performance went up. It may be a coincidence, but...let's give some credit to Kewei (or A_Chodeful - is this your real name or what?). Only downside is I don't earn that much credits like in lower tiers. Even with those nice missions for credits I net around 100-200K a day.

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Well.. I semi-accidentally volunteered for this program when i freeXP-ed to the WZ-131 and quickly found out driving high tier LT's without any camo crew/6th is.. er.. special..

Although my still terribad stats took a serious nosedive (which i am trying to level-out by doing lots of T29 redemption soloing) i am failing learning things the hard way,

though if it wasn't for my unconditional love for these cute little Chinese tenks i would have ragequit/sold/crew-dissmissed both the 131 and the 132 in a heartbeat.

 

For one, forced high tier (BT10-12) play, especially in a tank with nonexistant armour is teaching me patience, situational awareness (any single mistake means looking at a Deathstar one-hit brigthly burning hulk cosily lighting up the scenery) and not to trust my teammates to do any damage to the tanks i spot.

 

So i'd have to agree with this tactic. Playing T49, IS-6 or T29 is fun, but it doesn't seem to make me a better player, since the OP-ness of these tanks largely protects you from the stupid derps and other fkups, mistakes that you simply cannot afford to make at higher tiers.

While this would imply that you could just play any low tier bad or average tank to achieve the same thing, there simply is no substitute to top tier play when it comes to punishing mistakes.

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I decided to give this a try after reading the article last week. I'm playing tiers 9 & 10 a lot more often instead of once a day.

For the past few days:

My average tier has been 8.47

My average WN8 has been 2,067

My average win rate has been 61.76%

That's an improvement over my 7 day, 30 day and 60 day stats where my average tier is lower. I do feel that it is helping my game playing the upper tiers more often. When I play some tier 9 & 10 battles, I think a lot more about what I'm doing and why I'm doing it in the tier 6-8 battles.

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So i'd have to agree with this tactic. Playing T49, IS-6 or T29 is fun, but it doesn't seem to make me a better player, since the OP-ness of these tanks largely protects you from the stupid derps and other fkups, mistakes that you simply cannot afford to make at higher tiers.

While this would imply that you could just play any low tier bad or average tank to achieve the same thing, there simply is no substitute to top tier play when it comes to punishing mistakes.

 

Ain't that the truth? Been making those mistakes and being punished lately. Currently embracing the "brutal" part of this equation... *flashes stats*

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I picked up some bad habits playing lower tiers for the T34 mission and my recent win rate and WN8 dropped. So, I played 20 tier 10 battles today to remind myself what not to do and get punished for my mistakes. I managed to keep a 70% win rate in tier 10 today and a 2,000+ WN8 in tier 10 for those 20 battles. It helped with playing lower tiers after that also.

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At the moment my stats are starting to take a huge nosedive while playing the is-8 exclusively. The last two days I have averaged around 700-800 wn8, basically more than 1k less wn8 than my last 1000 game avg. One thing that I have realized is that while I could feel confident going out and getting damage in tier 7 and below this is not the case in this tank. I feel it's because I am lacking a level of awareness when it comes to seeking the enemy and dealing damage on my terms. Too often I either go too far forward and get plopped for a bunch if not all of my hitpoints or I sit back passively, wait for the enemy to come to me, and then hit them 1-2 times while taking shots from 3-5 tanks. The need to find the middle ground to these two situations is my biggest challenge. I constantly look at the map guides for my initial positioning which I stick pretty religiously but I find that I either I cannot convert these positions to my advantage or I mess up the understanding of the game flow in a particular match. Basically I feel like I am just starting the game for the first time and that I never had a clue of how to play this game, which is extremely frustrating and feels like I have wasted my time. 

 

Edit: To add to this, I find that it's all great and dandy to read stuff on how to play better (apart from understanding battle mechanics), but to convert that into my own play is far from easy. I will say however that the competing viewpoint to this article (Garbad) does have the 3 points that matter: Fire a very high volume of shots, constantly be moving to find a good situation, and don’t rely on the enemy making mistakes/coming to you; find reasons to force them into a fight on your terms. If anything though, my own experience would tell me that there is nothing cuddly about learning to apply these principles. Sometimes you just have to get really bad to get really good.

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Interesting those articles. I was looking at my tier 8 stats and thinking to actually step down a bit on those lines that are underperforming... perhaps I should ignore the stats and push on instead... 

 

Strangelye enough Kewei mentions the M103 as a good tank to learn but that's my top tier tank at the moment and one of the better tanks I have (I think I have better stats in that than in my T32)...

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Well I just broke (back) into tier 9 with my 103 and E50 (already have the 704) and am getting hammered.  I got a FV215B back in 2012 before taking a break from the game and there does seem to be a big difference between tier 8 and even 9, much less 10.  I don't remember it being that extreme back in the day but who knows....memory is one of the 1st things to go...lol

 

Strangely enough though, after starting off 1-16 in my 103; I've gone 8-2.  After reading the article and thread, I realize that it rivals my 2-21 start in my Stug III way back in the day when I first broke into tier 5......  Stugs(both versions) are still in my garage and are favorites now.

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This article is still relevant, you just have to interpret it in your own way like you would any textbook.

 

I focussed on improving my Tier 8 tanks, and as a result my stats across the board went up. Now it's more obvious which tanks suit my play style and which ones don't. Trial and error on different tank lines paid off in the long term - I have most of the tanks up to Tier 7/8 (apart from arty), and can freely choose which Tier 10 to go for next.

 

My conclusion was I'm an autoloader/Heavy specialist for the most part, apart from outliers like my T-54.

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This article is still relevant, you just have to interpret it in your own way like you would any textbook.

 

I focussed on improving my Tier 8 tanks, and as a result my stats across the board went up. Now it's more obvious which tanks suit my play style and which ones don't. Trial and error on different tank lines paid off in the long term - I have most of the tanks up to Tier 7/8 (apart from arty), and can freely choose which Tier 10 to go for next.

 

My conclusion was I'm an autoloader/Heavy specialist for the most part, apart from outliers like my T-54.

Interesting point...

 

Most of my tier 8's are heavies at this point. Exceptions are the Pershing the Panther 2 (0 games). The Pershing I am not playing well and I took a step back to the Easy 8 on that line.

I am playing the Tiger 2 (a bit now with x5) but there as well I will play the Tiger to get more feel for it, since I feel I need to improve in both...

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The Kewei way works. If you're on the fence and think it might wreck your stats, you're right and it will.

 

You'll also improve. DO IT FGTS.

can confirm this is best method

 

dropped from 3500wn8/69% 

to 2800wn8/63%

now rising back up to 3300 65%

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I will try solopub 1000 games now. Only question is: Which tank?

Im a med player, so i ll stick to sth fast, thought of the T54E1.

Now i ve no idea if T54E1 is too "easy" to play, should i rather use the Patton?

And shall i take my time and level til i get to the T9 of the line or Freexp my way to it and use a new 75% crew? D:

 

SO... basically T54E1 or M46? And grind it or freexp + new crew?

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Why not just play the tank itself though? I can see how the T54E1 is like a gimped version of the T57 and makes you develop good habits, but the the M46 is stronger than the M48 for its tier, especially in the firepower department, so the transferability seems somewhat limited.

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ill go for the T54E1 then :D

As chodeful said, its just a variation. In his original post its just about playin high tier (9 and 10).

I ll just play a T9 because the credit loss on the tank x1000 will be pretty much, even on T9 :D

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Interesting read and quite helpful how ever when it comes to me grinding, i never skip tanks, i go fully from tier 1 to 10 on what ever line it is i am doing as i like the general experience fully from it all as much as i can as it all helps for a better and greater understanding in the game and how to play out or situations :)

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