Flametz 453 Share Posted March 1, 2014 I'm just about done with this box. I've fallen into an awful slump with my Jagdtiger with these potato teams lately. It just seems like the tank cannot do anything when alone/with teammates that go full-on battle royale/every-man-for-himself-mode, and the AMX40 / IS-7 Syndrome it suffers from is so bad it may as well be as fast as a T95 with a higher top speed (and without dat trololol armor). I found this thing's performace is influenced on how well/badly the team does, somewhat like arty: Note: (If you do bother reading through this, please do note that while it gives insights on how i play, it may also be full of my typical whine-y whine whine tone that tends to get to me whenever anything German is mentioned together with WoT.) -Super bad teams? Get rolled with 1 shot worth of damage. -Bad teams? Hold out for 2k-3k dmg then get blapped by a ruskie or american 150mm+ cannon -Meh team/Team full of slow tanks? FARM ALL DEM EXP!!!* -Both teams are slightly above average/meh? It's rainin' medals.* -Good teams with competent medium/fast heavies? Struggles to catch up and do over 3k dmg. -Super good teams with dark purple 60 day unicums in steamrololol mediums like the T-54? Get left behind with 2, maybe 3, shots worth of damage *Sweet spots. Battles where i pad my stats the most, but they are few and far between. Playstyles tried, based on advice from older topics on the WoT forum: *Warning, wall of text* -Assault gun playstyle from the Ferdi... and failing terribly due to even worse mobility compared to the former. Hull armor seemed to get penned more often by the same tier 8s that shot at the Ferdi, and the superstructure may as well be made of tissue paper (with the entire ammo rack behind it) against tier 9-10 HEAT/APCR. Sidecraping is a no no as the gun isn't rear-mounted. -Tried sniping... and ended up missing or bouncing 1/3 of the shots due to RNG at ranges over 390m. Infuriating and a credit burner... Plus having the camo rating of a barn doesn't help in a long-range battle against other tanks with good camo. -Tried agg./flank sniper - Failed due to slowness. That, and the possibility of anything with decent mobility and a turret flanking + shredding the massive sides. The gun arc is also quite narrow for use against moving targets that are driving perpindicular (to the avg layman: across the screen instead of straight at you) to your gun, so it's CQC defences are quite bad. -Tried hulldown tactics like the T29... first and foremost it took longer to get to the usual spots (and that meant getting shot at more), and finally the superstruture will not bounce anything from tier 9-10 that isn't using standard AP (Though when i do encounter that one M103 or IS-4 with only AP and HE... delicious meat.) -Passive scouting - Apparently moderately succesful with one game netting 6k spotting assist dmg, though obviously the wrong way to use a tank that's the size of a house... -Tried sniping next to a 183 (for fear factor, so enemy tanks won't be so quick to yolololololol-rush me) , got TKed by his HESH for "breaking his camo" At the end of the day, i'm left in a mood not unlike the one shown here: Unless i get very interesting/new/fresh tips on the Jagdtiger, this thing is doomed to collect dust in the garage (and eventually sold for credits/slot later if i ever scrap together enough willpower to grind a new line). ... Sorry if this sounded like a rant, but I'm really struggling in my attempts to make this machine work. It has a good-ish gun on a chassis that is the direct anti-thesis of the ideal tank in my mind. If you find me hopeless for this tank, are there any other tanks out there that are at least as mobile as an M4 Sherman, but with a gun that is halfway decent (at the very least equal to good mediums/decent heavy tanks in the same tier). TL;DR: HALP, how2jagdtiger?!1?111 Link to post Share on other sites
xWulffx 393 Share Posted March 1, 2014 I feel your pain and may sell it myself and put that crew on the tier IX WTF IV Link to post Share on other sites
Flametz 453 Author Share Posted March 1, 2014 I feel your pain and may sell it myself and put that crew on the tier IX WTF IV The more i see that name the more i want to start grinding that new line... Link to post Share on other sites
macrossfighter 49 Share Posted March 1, 2014 The more i see that name the more i want to start grinding that new line... The WT Pz. IV outclasses the Jagdtiger in everything except armor, HP and gun depression. I haven't even played it but I know it's better. Link to post Share on other sites
xWulffx 393 Share Posted March 1, 2014 I have the Rhoomba and simply put - it is magic ... if the WTF IV is even close, it too will be a joy to play. I never played the Ferdi, and have had the JgPzII for quite a while. I realized from the get go, that the Ferdi could not flex much like the JgTiger but the JgPzII can and does well, and ever since the credits for premium ammo change update, armor is useless for the most part so speed, camo and vision definately trump armor most of the time. I am at work so, from memory, since the gun on the WTF IV is the same as the JgTiger ... why not go to the WTF IV Hope that helps, because I am in the same boat Link to post Share on other sites
Flametz 453 Author Share Posted March 1, 2014 The WT Pz. IV outclasses the Jagdtiger in everything except armor, HP and gun depression. I haven't even played it but I know it's better. Q.Q Gun depression issue can be solved by roating the gun to face backwards. Seen some guys do it quite succesfully. But seriously... after grinding this line for a good 6 months, reading that came as a slap-in-the-face for me. What does the Jagdtiger do then? The only purpose i have for it so far is to fast-grind the damage mission, and maybe, maybe bully tier 1-4 tanks to death (normally in the rooms with no names) in random training rooms when i really need to cool off. But really, is there anyone with advice on improving my gameplay in it? Or is it really that hopeless...? To the guy above me, while i do agree premium ammo affected armor, it hurt tanks that relied on flat, thick armor (mid-tier to mid-high tier Germans) more than those with spaced armor (american turrets) or sloped armor (soviets/chinese), since HEAT isn't as effective against them... Link to post Share on other sites
Worstpoaster_na 690 Share Posted March 1, 2014 I fucking put camo skill on mine and it actually helped. didn't help much, but barely enough to not be perma light at 400m every fucking game. Link to post Share on other sites
spencer 893 Share Posted March 1, 2014 I stopped at the JP2. This tank looks completely obsolete to me: slow with armor that isn't gold resistant. The end tier tank is also an acquired taste at best. Link to post Share on other sites
Flametz 453 Author Share Posted March 1, 2014 I stopped at the JP2. This tank looks completely obsolete to me: slow with armor that isn't gold resistant. The end tier tank is also an acquired taste at best. *sigh* If this tank is that obsolete, are there any other lines out there that might work? I don't care about the vehicle class, just something about as mobile as an m4 Sherman (or faster), with decent accuracy (0.36 or lower), and respectable penetration + damage. Been looking at the British mediums for a while, and minus the comet and FV4202 they seem pretty good... Link to post Share on other sites
Gmoney838 53 Share Posted March 1, 2014 I bought the JagdT when it was on sale...but haven't moved my JP2 crew into it yet...cause the JP2 is a box of fun. I'm terrified of the slow vulnerable box that is the JagdT. Awesome gun aside. Luckily my JP2 crew is fully camo trained, so maybe what Worst described might work. Link to post Share on other sites
Flametz 453 Author Share Posted March 2, 2014 I bought the JagdT when it was on sale...but haven't moved my JP2 crew into it yet...cause the JP2 is a box of fun. I'm terrified of the slow vulnerable box that is the JagdT. Awesome gun aside. Luckily my JP2 crew is fully camo trained, so maybe what Worst described might work. It's just not worth the credits if you're coming from the JPII then... Because you'll need to re-train a new loader, and be forced to get used to a slow tank that attracts shells more often then not when spotted. Link to post Share on other sites
waga100 353 Share Posted March 12, 2014 it fills a very obsolete and pointless role, a slow low camo dpm sniper that can bounce t9- guns firing ap if its hull down Link to post Share on other sites
Nkrlz 54 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Going to necro the shit out of this thread. So, basically the best thing to do is sell the fucking thing? Not going to grind another TD line. Link to post Share on other sites
xWulffx 393 Share Posted July 21, 2014 I fucking put camo skill on mine and it actually helped. didn't help much, but barely enough to not be perma light at 400m every fucking game. It helps some and the JgTiger actually has better camo .... by a smidge than the JP2 iirc. The WT auf IV actually has some mobility so it can flex to an extent better than the Borsig, the gun depression is rough to deal with and you have to turn it backwards t get any gun depression. Its camo is still decent, but not as good as the Borsig but it's got a decent HP pool. Having the same gun as th JgTiger, I'd say its a better TD overall despite the lack of armor and smaller HP pool. It can flex some and the turret eliminates moving to make shots which keeps you from getting spotted less than the JgTiger despite only having a slightly better camo rating. Plus its low profile helps keep you better hidden. Link to post Share on other sites
TeaTime 228 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Jagdtiger is a very middle of the way heavy TD for tier 9. It has great gun in general, with good accuracy, aim and DPM parameters. The armour is not very good. KT hull is tissue at tier 9. It wasn't even that good at tier 8. The super structure can bounce some shots. For survivalbility, I find that those that immediately angle and pull back after firing are far more annoying to deal with than those who actually stand there and shoot. 250 angled is still a lot. Hiding the lower hull and depressing the gun for more hull armour helps. It's not a bad tank IMO, but it's just unexceptional. That doesn't work very well in the current meta. That said, I would honestly just drive a 704. Link to post Share on other sites
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