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I am finding that the E50 great at a racking up spots and assisted damage... The combination of great view range, flex speed and good armour allow it to peek around hard cover in more situations than a cardboard tank can.

Not to say I play it as a scout, but in the course of smart flexing and flanking to open up new fire angles you can do a lot of vision control with it.

E-50 is love, E-50 is life .... Indeed

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Note to self:  Never face-hug someone when driving an E-50.

 

I was on test today, trying out the STB (magnificent vehicle, btw), and some dingus in an E50M tries to ram me.  He was going too slow to do much damage, but he facehugged me anyway, and I just pounded shot after shot into the lower left corner of his turret face.

 

The armor, mass, and speed of the thing make it very tempting to brawl in the E50/M series (and obviously you CAN, that's the beauty of them), but I've had my best success in them when I try to keep the enemy at arm's length.  That definitely seems to be the pattern for German mediums.

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In that sense, the 50 M is very much the antithesis to the T-62A

Good hull armor versus bad hull armor, weak turret versus strong turret, slow reload versus fast reload, better alpha versus worse alpha

 

If you wish to brawl, I'd say the T-62A is the way to go

And if you ABSOLUTELY only want to brawl and think you're lucky enough to never get a map with hills, the 121 is even better

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Saw some discussion early on in the thread and scrolled through a few pages without seeing a concrete answer. I've seen both Vstab/rammer/optics, and Vents/rammer/optics as possible setups. I'm curious to hear from someone who has tried both, with the merits of each. Also curious as to whether food plays a role in picking one setup vs the other?

 

My E-50M is pretty new, at only 17 battles thus far, I'm currently at a 2.5-6~ skill crew, so no BiA just yet(will be retraining when they hit 100% on 3rd skill, most likely, unless someone tells me it's worth fixing before then.)

 

Also curious on the general consensus between priority order of Camo vs Repair vs BiA on the 50/50m, as they are rather T110E5-like in their super mobile headium playstyle. Really loving the tanks, just want to make my experience more painless if there is a better setup to run/try out.

 

Thanks in advance! Alternately, post a few setups and I'll mull them all over.

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I have tried both, Vstab has more battles but Vents has at least 200 battles of usage

The rate of fire buff you get from vents sometimes makes a difference, but the overall increase in time it takes to aim is not really worth it, you lose more DPM than you gain unless you purely brawl in the 50 M

Also I might add the slight bonus to view range you get from it, which is the only other notable benefit from vents, wasn't worth it back then and now with corridor maps it ESPECIALLY so isn't worth it

 

Food is really a personal preference but I'd say if you can afford it, go for it

50 M only catches fire from being shot in the rear unlike its predecessor, and that rarely happens at least to me (but might now, what with the amount of light tanks due to the IMs)

The rate of fire boost you get from food is VERY important, I often find myself unable to fire a second shot only due to a few milliseconds of worse reload than the enemy or an ally in the case that they finish them off first

 

Camo Vs. Repair used to be a debate, but because of the much-discussed meta change I'll say that you should go with repair first

The 50 M already has some of the worse camo among tier 10 meds, it doesn't benefit THAT much from the boost, but neither does it with repair either

Depending on if you primarly like sniping or brawling, pick accordingly

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I've been playing around with replacing the rammer with Vents/Food.  My crew doesn't have BIA yet, but I think that when they do, the soft stats boost trio will compensate for the loss of the rammer.  Besides, who plays tens to make money?

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-snip-

 

Thanks for that. How important would you consider BiA? Basically, worth retraining at this point, or wait until i tick over and get 3 complete skills?

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Once you have a good (3 skill) crew, I'm personally a fan of Rammer, Vstab, and Vents, with food and BIA. Drops the reload to the minimum of 7.51, view range will push past 460 even without optics, and the gun control is unparalleled. I find with the new meta, and the E50's not being great scouts anyway, 460 is plenty.  Repairs over camo always.  I sold my M in favor of the tier 9 E50, but I ran this setup on both, having the best success to date with it.  Works great since the transmission buff, since now the E50 doesn't burn any more than the M does. I can post a screenshot when I get home.

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Why would you replace a rammer with vents?

How would you replace a rammer with food?

 

I wasn't too articulate about that.  What I meant was that I felt that the food/vents/BIA combo can almost make up for the loss of the rammer.  Why?  Even IF maximising view range is dead (on which subject I agree with you) there's still the issue of camo-piercing to consider, and as we were discussing earlier, the E-50 works best when it can keep enemies at arms' length, thus the E-50s best defense against Glorious Socialist Hovertanks is still vision, given that the GSHs have some pretty outrageous camo values.

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Once you have a good (3 skill) crew, I'm personally a fan of Rammer, Vstab, and Vents, with food and BIA. Drops the reload to the minimum of 7.51, view range will push past 460 even without optics, and the gun control is unparalleled. I find with the new meta, and the E50's not being great scouts anyway, 460 is plenty.  Repairs over camo always.  I sold my M in favor of the tier 9 E50, but I ran this setup on both, having the best success to date with it.  Works great since the transmission buff, since now the E50 doesn't burn any more than the M does. I can post a screenshot when I get home.

 

I've always felt pretty iffy about running my mediums without optics, just for those shitty clutch carry situations where they really matter. That being said, this is something I can understand the idea of and will probably end up running it for a while. I'm reasonably paranoid about fire, particularly from arty/random light tanks or what have you, so do you think this setup would be lessened by running Rep/Food/Fire rather than Rep/Med/Food, with JoAT on my commander.

 

I haven't noticed massive crew death problems that I can think of, but I'm reasonably new to the tank so if there is some sort of "your gunner always dies every game" thing i've missed, maybe this isn't viable?

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I wasn't too articulate about that.  What I meant was that I felt that the food/vents/BIA combo can almost make up for the loss of the rammer.  Why?  Even IF maximising view range is dead (on which subject I agree with you) there's still the issue of camo-piercing to consider, and as we were discussing earlier, the E-50 works best when it can keep enemies at arms' length, thus the E-50s best defense against Glorious Socialist Hovertanks is still vision, given that the GHSs have some pretty outrageous camo values.

It's best defence is decent use of cover and awesome gun control/accuracy.

Rammer allows you to leverage this more often, therefore  it is THE best equipment, not only for the 50's, but for any tank that can mount it.

Dead people don't fire back, and you should have the bia/vents/choco combo on 50M no matter what equipment you run.

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Stop running a 50m without a rammer. There is no justification. If you want to, fine; just don't write about it so other bad players get bad ideas.

I think the 50m is probably one of the few mediums you can take vents on. For all we whine about corridor meta, there are still plenty of maps and spots which mean optics are a 100% solid choice for a fast tank like a medium.

For 50M I personally run Rammer/Vstab/Optics with BiA, Chocolate & Gunnery skills/view range perks.

You can easily replace the Optics with Vents and that is personal choice, but you never touch the vstab or rammer.

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Drove the 50m yesterday. Holy crap I have found my new waifu.

So I can play purple 3k over 40 games wIth another account, but can't even unicum on mine lel

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E50 / E50m without optics.... hmmm.... I'd rather have that 1/2sec of having an enemy spotted before they spot me in order to turn my turret and find cover than not have 1/2 second to react. I'll never drop optics.

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It's best defence is decent use of cover and awesome gun control/accuracy.

Rammer allows you to leverage this more often, therefore  it is THE best equipment, not only for the 50's, but for any tank that can mount it.

 

 

Stop running a 50m without a rammer. There is no justification. If you want to, fine; just don't write about it so other bad players get bad ideas.

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You can easily replace the Optics with Vents and that is personal choice, but you never touch the vstab or rammer.

 

I think that RBS made an excellent case against the rammer.  DPM is already not the E50's strong suit.  Why try to pretend you can change that?  Crap plus ten percent is 110% crap.  RBS's thesis is that it's more important to maximize the effect of your fire than the volume for its own sake.  Again, the E50's volume-of-fire is crap.  It will always be crap.  But it DOES have really great accuracy, vision, and gun handling.  You can bring your hull and gun around and engage a target at edge of view range very rapidly.  It's one of the best tanks for doing that.   Dropping the rammer in favor of vents is something that I think is warranted to play to those strengths.  

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Gun handling and accuracy aren't of any use if you aren't firing. Don't be stupid. There is room for debate at the top end of the spectrum, but god is it annoying/frustrating/amusing when yellows think they know better than dark purples. The whole point of this place is so that we can guide you away from these stupid choices.

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You raise a good point, BUT...

 

  • You know as well as I do that the main problem that yellows/greens have is keeping their gun hot.  So who cares whether I run a rammer when I take maybe ten shots a game anyhow?
  • I've played enough matches to have a decent appreciation for the technical aspects of this game, and I feel that my main limitations are decision-making, patience, map awareness, player psychology, and understanding of game flow, things that apply in games of all kinds.  I've just never been very good at games in general, and I'd like to change that.  I could be wrong about all this, of course.

 

Just because I'm a yellow doesn't mean I'm objectively stupid.  And hell, I'll learn more by taking a dumb stand and being shot down than by simply sitting and listening.

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You raise a good point, BUT...

 

* You know as well as I do that the main problem that yellows/greens have is keeping their gun hot.  So who cares whether I run a rammer when I take maybe ten shots a game anyhow?

 

* I've played enough games to have a decent appreciation for the technical aspects of this game, and I feel that my main limitations are decision-making, patience, map awareness, player psychology, and understanding of game flow.  I could be wrong, of course.

 

Just because I'm a yellow doesn't mean I'm objectively stupid.

Dropping rammer will lower that shot per game number. It will hurt brawls. It will hurt you in so many ways its insane. I understand RBS' article: It said to think about it, and he was using Chinese tanks as an example. He thought that hitting>volume. Thing is you can already hit in both these tanks easily, a GLD wont help at all. If its vents you are replacing well vents are worse than a rammer. And Vstab is already there. So where is the argument here. 

 

Rammer> on the e50/ms. I think thats just a hands down thing. 

 

Ignore the gld thing, i had not fully read your posts. Also Walrus isnt calling you stupid, he is rather saying that he pretty much knows better than you here. Dont think it was meant to be aggressive

 

edit # 2 : If you want to have a case for this setup, which i think is what you were actually trying to say by "Objectively stupid" you pretty much will have to preform at the tip top of the scale to convince most anyone it is good. Some people may then be willing to try it. Until then, I would stick entirely with what Walrus said, since, no offense, but he almost assuredly does better than you in his e50m. His setup is also what I believe Morgotz/Traikais/Ew uses (Or his two viable setups, whatever). So you basically have an argument, but no proof it is better. If you can get someone to run it for you, then we can see.

 

I personally still dont see the setup as remotely viable, but I have not tried it, so I dont feel I can just hands down tell you you are wrong. 

 

Walrus kinda can though : /

 

(I have only ever socked an E50M for a bit. )

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