E-50/E-50 M Fan Club

[Griphos 81]

I think that RBS made an excellent case against the rammer.  DPM is already not the E50's strong suit.  Why try to pretend you can change that?  Crap plus ten percent is 110% crap.  RBS's thesis is that it's more important to maximize the effect of your fire than the volume for its own sake.  Again, the E50's volume-of-fire is crap.  It will always be crap.  But it DOES have really great accuracy, vision, and gun handling.  You can bring your hull and gun around and engage a target at edge of view range very rapidly.  It's one of the best tanks for doing that.   Dropping the rammer in favor of vents is something that I think is warranted to play to those strengths.  

 

This is the trouble with theoretical thinking.  You're not trying to maximize "strong suits" or overcome some kind of weak feature.  You're trying to shoot more often in a given time frame.  THIS IS ALWAYS USEFUL.  "Bring(ing) your hull and gun around...very rapidly" doesn't do you much good if you don't have a shell loaded yet!  

[Johnny_Wishbone 12]

Dropping rammer will lower that shot per game number. It will hurt brawls. It will hurt you in so many ways its insane.

 

First, care to enumerate some?

 

Second, again, my shot-per-game number is already in the toilet compared to yours.  Why should I care about a rammer when my average time-between-shots is so much more than the reload time anyway?

[Rexxie 10,788]

Your shots per game doesn't mean anything. Yellows live for shorter amounts of time and do most of their damage in one specific timeframe. Yeah, you might only shoot half as often, but you're also only living half as long, so rammer ends up being just as useful. You still need to maximize the damage you deal in that timeframe.

 

But that's one thing. Saying rammer is not the best equip in the game is something I can humor, saying you'd rather have vents? *SNOBBY SNICKER*

[MagentaPanda 715]

First, care to enumerate some?

 

Second, again, my shot-per-game number is already in the toilet compared to yours.  Why should I care about a rammer when my average time-between-shots is so much more than the reload time anyway

So what is the argument for vents again? Your hull turning fast? 

 

With a rammer, your DPM goes up 10%. Someone overextends. You get two shots, with no rammer you get one: Thats 390 DPG right there. It lets your gun reload faster when it matters. I dont shot all the time, but when I get oppurtunites, I want my gun firing as fast as possible. 

 

nevermind the rest of this post, rexxie ninjad me

 

just to throw in the really important parts of rexxies post for clarity 

 

 

You still need to maximize the damage you deal in that timeframe.

 

That is what the rammer does. 

[Lightnin45 95]

The only case for not running a rammer would be to maximize your gun handling, and with the 50/M, you already have perfection, so how much better could it be. I was shooting a T30's engine deck at 300+ meters through a window the other day on Malinovka.

It doesn't matter what your average time between shots is, it's about getting one more round into the guy going into cover or a late game dpm contest to see who comes out with a win when you could have put out 2 shots instead of one. And honestly, if someone with a recent 70% WR and 3K+ win8 thinks rammer is the best choice, it most likely is.

[GehakteMolen 2,063]

If i could mount 3 rammers i would most likely mount atleast 2 rammers on anything, and on some tanks (like E50m) even 3 rammers

 

more dpm is virtually always better, only if your tank has faster reload as aim time rammer is not needed (so churchill III) in any other situation beiing able to shoot faster will make you win more

[OnboardG1 1,279]

Getting your reload 10% lower means a 10% increase in the spread of reload times you can beat out 2 to 1. This is really useful.

[Griphos 81]

So you don't shoot very much and that's why you're yellow. Fair enough. But unless you only shoot at the edge of range while hiding then sometimes you need to.shoot again while the other guy is shooting at you. When this happens, the ability to get your next shot into him any quicker AT ALL can be the difference between dying and surviving.

I don't know how to make it any clearer than that to you.

Your 10 shots can't always be spaced at your leisure. Sometimes that 9th and 10th shot are right together, and if you could have only gotten off that 11th shot before he killed you, you would live to get off a 12th shot and maybe even a couple more at someone else. Voila, now you're green!

Part of your lower performance you ascribe to not understanding some aspects of game mechanics. Your posts show this clearly. There are occasionally people who come along and dig in with some abstract theory about what is best, and they both don't last long around here and prevent themselves from improving in the game because of their theoretical stubbornness.

[Siimcy 3,522]

I think that RBS made an excellent case against the rammer.  DPM is already not the E50's strong suit.  Why try to pretend you can change that?  Crap plus ten percent is 110% crap.  RBS's thesis is that it's more important to maximize the effect of your fire than the volume for its own sake.  Again, the E50's volume-of-fire is crap.  It will always be crap.  But it DOES have really great accuracy, vision, and gun handling.  You can bring your hull and gun around and engage a target at edge of view range very rapidly.  It's one of the best tanks for doing that.   Dropping the rammer in favor of vents is something that I think is warranted to play to those strengths.  

 

You seriously don't use a rammer on an E50M? The fuck. The E50Ms gun handling is so great that you don't need both gld/stabs. I don't even think the stabs(I use them anyways) are that important on this vehicle but changing my rammer for a GLD would be the most stupid thing you could ever do.

[Panzer_Fenris 106]

I use rammer/vents/optics on my E-50. Was actually genuinely surprised when I realized that the other day, figured I had v.stab on it.

Truth be told, I don't miss the vertical stabilizer on it at all. The gun handling is divine anyway.

I guess one could make a case for ditching the optics for it, but despite the new meta I really like the extra view range.

[MagentaPanda 715]

I think there is now a consensus (As if there was not one before) 

 

Rammer> than whatever johnny was using. 

 

So you should really use the rammer johnny. 

 

 

I use rammer/vents/optics on my E-50. Was actually genuinely surprised when I realized that the other day, figured I had v.stab on it.

Truth be told, I don't miss the vertical stabilizer on it at all. The gun handling is divine anyway.

I guess one could make a case for ditching the optics for it, but despite the new meta I really like the extra view range.

Also why not try the vtsab for a bit? It will cost 20 gold total, not a huge hit to the wallet. Seems worth seeing how much you like it compared to the vents.. I personally would also try a BIA+ Food+ vents setup for this tank to minimize reload, but thats just me. 

 

The vents/BIA/Food is also really nice on the 62A in my opinion. VR is only down to like 440 and the reload and gun handling are so nice. So I am going to try it at least on quite a few tanks. 

[Grister 60]

 

>I was only 9 years old
>I loved E50 so much, I had all the merchandise and movies
>I pray to E50 every night before bed, thanking him for the life I've been given
>"E50 is love" I say; "E50 is life"
>My dad hears me and calls me a statpadder
>I know he was just jealous of my devotion for E50
>I called him a scrub
>He slaps me and sends me to go to sleep
>I'm crying now, and my face hurts
>I lay in bed and it's really cold
>Suddenly, a warmth is moving towards me
>It's E50
>I am so happy
He whispers into my ear "This is my cap."
>He grabs me with his powerful tank treads and puts me down onto my hands and knees
>I'm ready
>I spread my engine deck for E50
>He penetrates my ammorack
>It hurts so much but I do it for E50
>I can feel my modules tearing as my eyes start to water
>I push against his force
>I want to please E50
>He roars in a mighty roar as he gets top gun
>My dad walks in
>E50 looks him straight in the eyes and says "It's all over now."
>E50 leaves through my window
>E50 is love. E50 is life.

[Avendyl 71]

That was scary.

[Drunken_Walrus 1,887]

*bleaches eyes*

[Griphos 81]

OUCH!!  That's got to hurt!!!  Bleach!?!?!?  In your EYES?!?!?!

[morgotz 8]

If i could mount 3 rammers i would most likely mount atleast 2 rammers on anything, and on some tanks (like E50m) even 3 rammers

 

more dpm is virtually always better, only if your tank has faster reload as aim time rammer is not needed (so churchill III) in any other situation beiing able to shoot faster will make you win more

oh pls, gehakte: the russian T10 medium turd tanks have way higher DpM than E50M and yet are worse, thx to low DpS. you want a good combination of DpS and actual DpM. Actual DpM means how often you can plant a shot and deal damage, so low accuracy, bad aim dispersion on movement/ turret turning and even gun depression work against your actual DpM. E50M is one of the vehicles, that has a great mix (also armor)

[GehakteMolen 2,063]

oh pls, gehakte: the russian T10 medium turd tanks have way higher DpM than E50M and yet are worse, thx to low DpS. you want a good combination of DpS and actual DpM. Actual DpM means how often you can plant a shot and deal damage, so low accuracy, bad aim dispersion on movement/ turret turning and even gun depression work against your actual DpM. E50M is one of the vehicles, that has a great mix (also armor)

 

100% agree, but in case of E50(m) the base accuracy and gun handling are so good, with 3x rammer it would be a true rape machine ;D

 

ps: t10 ru turd meds are shit because of 320 alpha dmg peashooter guns, any kind of shot trading always puts you at a disadvantage, even trading 2vs1 is often a bad trade... (rage sold T62 long ago and i somehow think Obj 140 will be close to rage sell aswell....)

[X3N4 2,608]

oh pls, gehakte: the russian T10 medium turd tanks have way higher DpM than E50M and yet are worse, thx to low DpS. you want a good combination of DpS and actual DpM. Actual DpM means how often you can plant a shot and deal damage, so low accuracy, bad aim dispersion on movement/ turret turning and even gun depression work against your actual DpM. E50M is one of the vehicles, that has a great mix (also armor)

Actual DPM of the E-50M is even more shit because everyone in this game gets a lot of random bounces/crits and because you have low dpm, low rof and relatively high alpha it sucks even more. And you can't keep the gun in the game a lot because it has the shittiest turret in the whole game, I swear.

[Panzer9Supertiger 365]

Wow, ace for the 50M is really low, not even 1200. Meanwhile 1400 is still goddamn first class on the 140.

[KenadianCSJ 666]

Wow, ace for the 50M is really low, not even 1200. Meanwhile 1400 is still goddamn first class on the 140.

I've gotten over 1600 XP in mine, still only 1st.

[caelestis42 30]

If I suck ass in the E50, will I then be just as bad in the E50M? I just can't get my head around this tank.. I always play solo. What to do?

[Nkrlz 54]

The E-50 is stronger than the 50M (tier for tier). My advice is, don't play it as a true medium, know when you should go with your heavys instead and if possible avoid going hull down (use that UFP, bouncing TX TDs for days )

[Drunken_Walrus 1,887]

The E50 is OP as fuck, while the Ausf M is merely balanced. If you can't play the tier 9 (how the actual fuck can people be bad at the most broken tank in the game), don't even bother with the 10.

[Drunken_Walrus 1,887]

50 game solopub challenge I did, E50 is fair and balanced.

[Xen 805]

How much gold ammo did you use?