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A nice asymmetrical attack.  I really don't think he is going to do the hours of work needed to respond to your, at best, marginally relevant questions.  RBS has already compiled an impressive amount of statistical evidence.  If you want to refute it, you need to do the work.  Compile the statistics that make your case.  

 

You won't. Even if you did the work, we all know what you would find.

 

Why wouldn't he do the work if he spent many hours compiling "cherry-picked" data as it's been called by others?

 

So, let me get this straight... you accept a case argument from someone who as compiled bad statistics, but you expect those who want to refute it to compile good statistics? That is completely unintelligent.

 

 

I got this one.

 

You exploited a flaw in the MM which allowed you to fly planes a Tier higher than anyone else in the WoWP community had.  You did this in flights, which resulted in many matches with you having 3 planes of a given tier that were the only planes of that tier in the match.  MM compensated by giving the other team an extra plane one tier lower, which in no way compensated for the enormous edge you had.  You would also queue dodge to ensure that when you were flying planes of a tier that was lower than what other people had, you were never or rarely bottom tier.

 

This resulted in your attaining a very high win rate that is not reflective of your skill at the game.  This was done by farming the WoWP community, and is believed to have contributed to the low server population on the NA server that we experience today.  

 

And that is why we all look at you and your clan with contempt.

 

So they did what Potato did in Open Beta... but since Potato doesn't do it anymore, everyone looks down at them instead of at the first to do it?

 

Simply put, flighting up a lot with other good players is something that three major clans did far before Dracarys was anything other than a few friends in a Ventrilo server...

 

LIGS, Potato, and Dirty Dozen. Of those, the higher skilled players were : Potato>DD>LIGS, with only a few higher skilled players in LIGS.

 

The only difference is, everyone said LIGS would die because it only had a couple decent players... yet the most vocal on that, DD.... is defunct...  LIGS still continues to train new players and have fun playing the game, together... DD? Gone... Grouchy, nowhere to be seen... a person who wanted to pull me from LIGS and kept telling me DD would be huge and LIGS would fail...

 

And Potato? Only a few members play regularly. Still, some of the better players in the game, yet their presence is lackluster, due to a fudged launch by a developer who took too long to care. Truly sad, because no matter how much arguments we've been in, same side or not... I respect and miss Potato's presence and ability to turn the tide of a match that otherwise would seem lost.

 

 

And LIGS? It's still going strong.... well, so it has more trainees/hangouts/WoT/DayZ players than flyers, but they're all still active in WoWP, still teaching new players, and mostly not giving a flying trashcan about their win rates.

 

 

But sure... let's all point to Dracarys for flighting up because these other clans that did/do so before/now are either defunct or are just noob trainers.... 

Again, not cheating.

 

Everyone else could have done exactly what we did.

 

They did... straight down to the top tiering against the newer players. Let's not forget who did it first in Open Beta... one particular person was crazy mad for a week that people would dare lawn dart and give him low xp/credit payouts for his easy wins in Open Beta.

 

But it's just easier to target the current most successful clan in the game. Watch out, Aces High... you're next, you have players rounding up to 60%+ WR now, and are getting big...

 

I'll do some statistics of my own!

 

Rocketbrainsurgeon

67% winrate

3.83 K/D ratio

 

Bandet

86.84% winrate

10.23 K/D ratio

 

Oh, well.. I think that there might be some link to that..

 

Also, didn't he say something about "flighting reduces the amount of kills you get per game"? So, logically, I should have a lower KD ratio than RBS because I flight more, right?

This hardly means anything...  in the grand scheme of things, what does it matter?

 

At this point, you'd have to count in playstyle too. RBS flies into the furballs alot, you do not... you hover above and BnZ a lot. You're really good at it. He's really good at the fur ball. 

 

Furball is less survivable than BnZ.

 

 

 

 

But all of this shenanigans is just a waste of time... albeit a fun and funny one, sometimes...

 

 

 

 

I guess we'll never be satisfied... not even if WoWP gets 30k NA players to logon at once.

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No, I want one or more of you failures to take my challenge.

 

  1. 1v1 - my P51A vs your P40
  2. No rockets
  3. 10 games - you only have to win one and I'll shut up about this forever
  4. Arctic Region

Since being a tier higher isn't a detriment, then this should be easy for you guys to win one tiny game.  But you won't take me up on it because you know you can't win.  By not taking me up on it, you're admitting that a higher tier vs lower tier plane is insurmountable.

 

I think many of them have meant that in a pub match, one tier higher wouldn't matter. However, win or lose, I would take your challenge, just because I like to have fun and challenges.

 

I'm working at the moment, but I'd gladly take your challenge for fun. I don't care if I lose. Then again, I might not be the ones you're targeting... ?  Seeing as I'm just a recruit and might not make the cut in the clan....

 

/salute

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The very fact that this thread and argument is still going simply boggles the mind... the game is dead, folks. Accept it.

 

 

 

It's just a flesh wound.

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I think many of them have meant that in a pub match, one tier higher wouldn't matter. 

 

I agree with this,

 

In a 1v1 battle, a single tier DOES mean a huge deal.

 

In a 15v15 battle? Not as much. I've won plenty of battles where I wasn't top tier...

 

 

Anyways... Why does it always come down to "1v1 me scrub lets go"

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It's just a flesh wound.

I'm more inclined to agree with Katariana... I've seen 3 community managers come and go.. three of them saying roughly the same thing: They're gonna talk to the powers that be and get things to be more betterer and have more transparency.. blah blah...

 

End of the day, they're all three wrong...  not saying they didn't truly care or try, but what they find out is that they really have no official powers to help get the players heard. All the changes to game get approved mostly because of the Russian server population either "toes the line" as a "good Russkie" or they just religiously follow the altitude bands/other changes without thinking or expecting a better mechanic.

 

We're just the ones that bankroll the majority of the game... screw us... Might work in WoT, which has no real competition until WT Ground Forces comes out... but it doesn't work with WoWP, because there's a plethora of flying games out there.

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I'm more inclined to agree with Katariana... I've seen 3 community managers come and go.. three of them saying roughly the same thing: They're gonna talk to the powers that be and get things to be more betterer and have more transparency.. blah blah...

 

End of the day, they're all three wrong...  not saying they didn't truly care or try, but what they find out is that they really have no official powers to help get the players heard. All the changes to game get approved mostly because of the Russian server population either "toes the line" as a "good Russkie" or they just religiously follow the altitude bands/other changes without thinking or expecting a better mechanic.

 

We're just the ones that bankroll the majority of the game... screw us... Might work in WoT, which has no real competition until WT Ground Forces comes out... but it doesn't work with WoWP, because there's a plethora of flying games out there.

The new flight game I've been playing involves cutting out pictures of airplanes and running around my yard making plane noises.  It's fun and gives me some exercise.

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The new flight game I've been playing involves cutting out pictures of airplanes and running around my yard making plane noises.  It's fun and gives me some exercise.

LOL!!! I like to do this sometimes too.. Only I run around the yard with my 22 month old son acting like an airplane!!!

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The new flight game I've been playing involves cutting out pictures of airplanes and running around my yard making plane noises.  It's fun and gives me some exercise.

 

 

Did it go something like this?

 

"Nyrrrooom!!! ra-ta-ta-ta-ta-tat!!!"

 

"Oh, you got me!"

 

"l2p nub!!!"

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Did it go something like this?

 

"Nyrrrooom!!! ra-ta-ta-ta-ta-tat!!!"

 

"Oh, you got me!"

 

"l2p nub!!!"

Now you're just trolling and stirring up crap.

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Now you're just trolling and stirring up crap.

 

And the post that was made in reply to was SOO much better...?

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We're just the ones that bankroll the majority of the game... screw us... Might work in WoT, which has no real competition until WT Ground Forces comes out... but it doesn't work with WoWP, because there's a plethora of flying games out there.

 

War Thunder Ground Forces is already out. Its pretty good, enough competition to push WG to improve WoT, but nowhere near good enough to "kill" it, or even take a large portion of WoT's player base.

 

WG seems to have largely abandoned actually trying to compete with WT as far as WoWP goes, however. They had their shot to gain some ground when Gaijin released their disastrous 1.37 update, but they squandered that opportunity and instead did absolutely nothing

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Now you're just trolling and stirring up crap.

 

Don't worry, Captain.. we've all fallen for it before... Even though we all know that a troll can only troll those who take the bait... we tend to like the conflict and therefore latch on to the bait quite quickly.

War Thunder Ground Forces is already out. Its pretty good, enough competition to push WG to improve WoT, but nowhere near good enough to "kill" it, or even take a large portion of WoT's player base.

 

WG seems to have largely abandoned actually trying to compete with WT as far as WoWP goes, however. They had their shot to gain some ground when Gaijin released their disastrous 1.37 update, but they squandered that opportunity and instead did absolutely nothing

 

Ah.. I've been a week or two off of the CBT of Ground Forces, didn't know it was out now..

 

And, yes, 1.37 was pretty fail, but the current isn't much better. At least they still claim they're Open Beta.

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And, yes, 1.37 was pretty fail, but the current isn't much better. At least they still claim they're Open Beta.

 

Open beta while selling gold, premium accounts, premium planes/tonks, even premium packs on steam, and not doing any wipes? The "open beta" tag is really more for show than anything else, also its a get out of jail free card of sorts.

 

"WTF Gaijin why you break your game with 1.37?"

 

"...We're in open beta!"

 

:thumbdown:

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Open beta while selling gold, premium accounts, premium planes/tonks, even premium packs on steam, and not doing any wipes? The "open beta" tag is really more for show than anything else, also its a get out of jail free card of sorts.

 

"WTF Gaijin why you break your game with 1.37?"

 

"...We're in open beta!"

 

:thumbdown:

Exactly... it's the perfect "shyadup and tek meh munney.... WTF you broke it"  meets "but we're just beta... be glad we're not Vargaming, and ve not wiping your stats...

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Not wiping stats

Real money for premium time and premium vehicles

 

Claims to be beta so they can use it as an excuse for every problem.

 

And yet... somehow people think this company is superior to wargaming.

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You see, I don't really see them as direct competitors, Bandet... sure, there is a little of that, but ultimately WT is creating a more simulated full scale map type game with realistic weather, flight mechanics, etc. .. though, it's arcade mode is just laughable at best, and used only for XP grinding.

 

 

WoWP is purely arcade style with miniature map scaling.. airplanes are bigger than the aircraft carriers and landing strips that they can't even land on....

but it's still a fun game... and is actually getting closer to semi-realistic flight mechanics...   except for it's silly altitude banding system...

 

But WoWP really lacks a developer that cares... with a community management staff that "might care" but can't really do anything for the players.

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You see, I don't really see them as direct competitors, Bandet... sure, there is a little of that, but ultimately WT is creating a more simulated full scale map type game with realistic weather, flight mechanics, etc. .. though, it's arcade mode is just laughable at best, and used only for XP grinding.

 

 

WoWP is purely arcade style with miniature map scaling.. airplanes are bigger than the aircraft carriers and landing strips that they can't even land on....

but it's still a fun game... and is actually getting closer to semi-realistic flight mechanics...   except for it's silly altitude banding system...

 

But WoWP really lacks a developer that cares... with a community management staff that "might care" but can't really do anything for the players.

 

 

You can't pretend they aren't competitors. That is a cop out wowp fanboys have been using for a long time to avoid admitting faults, just as WT developers are using the word "beta" as a cop out.

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And yet... somehow people think this company is superior to wargaming.

 

Lets be realistic here, minus their money grubbing, lack of effective joystick controls, and their rather blatant Russian bias, they are overwhelmingly superior to Wargaming as far as flight games go. One of the only things WG has managed to do better has been joystick controls.

 

...The same can't be said about them as far as tanks go. Wargaming is still ahead there for the time being. Its fucking annoying when almost every time you take a hit in WT:GF, your ammo rack blows.

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Why wouldn't he do the work if he spent many hours compiling "cherry-picked" data as it's been called by others?

 

The "others" that claim I "cherry-picked" are only those that cheated.  Oh look, you show up on that page of clan members too along with Char and Bandet.  Every one of you who hate my article are the same ones that cheated for thousands of battles.  Imagine that!

 

I've received more private messages in-game and through emails than any other article I've written over the past 8 months, thanking me for standing up for everyone getting stomped on through this nonsense.  People are thanking me for standing up to the abusers through email, in-game message, PM, and even in tanks.

 

Yoda posted that my stats were misleading.  My tier 5's deal more than your clans tier 8's and tier 9's, yet you win far more than me.  How is that misleading?  It's downright truth, and quickly verifiable.  Please present evidence to the contrary if you disagree with it.

 

I look forward to our challenge.  Set dates and times and I'll meet them.

 

Here's how our challenge will go:

  • Game 1, I will fly around at altitude and draw the match.  This will show you how stupid it is for you to even do this, and how your clan just farmed people.  I will waste your time on purpose just to show you futility.
  • Games 2-5, I will try to ram you without firing a shot.  Since you will be hiding near AA, when I get low on HP from failed attempts I will just hide at altitude and draw.  Again to show you the futility.
  • Games 6-10, I might even try to kill you.  Doubtful though, because I want to make sure you don't quit on me before we complete 10 games.  Because your clan farmed the rest of the population for thousands of games, I want to make sure I farm you for at least 10.

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You can't pretend they aren't competitors. That is a cop out wowp fanboys have been using for a long time to avoid admitting faults, just as WT developers are using the word "beta" as a cop out.

There's no cop out from me here... I just merely pointed out direct and indirect competition. They lie somewhere in between the two. They both have warplanes and tanks, but they both are not full on simulations.

 

Wargaming is like a first person shooter.. WT is a simulation of realistic mechanics, with an arcade (not FPS) mode thrown in.

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Wargaming is like a first person shooter.. WT is a simulation of realistic mechanics, with an arcade (not FPS) mode thrown in.

 

Ehhh.... going to have to disagree with you on that one. The mouse aim mode in Arcade battles for War Thunder feels a lot like an FPS to me. Except its even easier, and there tends to be almost zero skill necessary to shoot somebody down if you're in certain aircraft. For instance, this here is the result of me flying my tier 3 British.

 

2hy84tl.jpg

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The "others" that claim I "cherry-picked" are only those that cheated.  Oh look, you show up on that page of clan members too along with Char and Bandet.  Every one of you who hate my article are the same ones that cheated for thousands of battles.  Imagine that!

 

I've received more private messages in-game and through emails than any other article I've written over the past 8 months, thanking me for standing up for everyone getting stomped on through this nonsense.  People are thanking me for standing up to the abusers through email, in-game message, PM, and even in tanks.

 

Yoda posted that my stats were misleading.  My tier 5's deal more than your clans tier 8's and tier 9's, yet you win far more than me.  How is that misleading?  It's downright truth, and quickly verifiable.  Please present evidence to the contrary if you disagree with it.

 

I look forward to our challenge.  Set dates and times and I'll meet them.

 

Here's how our challenge will go:

  • Game 1, I will fly around at altitude and draw the match.  This will show you how stupid it is for you to even do this, and how your clan just farmed people.  I will waste your time on purpose just to show you futility.
  • Games 2-5, I will try to ram you without firing a shot.  Since you will be hiding near AA, when I get low on HP from failed attempts I will just hide at altitude and draw.  Again to show you the futility.
  • Games 6-10, I might even try to kill you.  Doubtful though, because I want to make sure you don't quit on me before we complete 10 games.  Because your clan farmed the rest of the population for thousands of games, I want to make sure I farm you for at least 10.

 

 

First off, as a recruit, I'm merely a prospect.

 

Secondly, there is no evidence of - nor will there ever be, since I don't do this- me queue jumping, intentionally top tier stomping for thousands of games, or any other things that you just now fabricated on me... It may be true of others, but you cannot honestly claim I personally have done anything of the sort.

 

Thirdly: If you think you'd be wasting my time by hiding at altitude... I will simply win the match by supremacy and laugh at you for thinking you're wasting my time. This little 'challenge' of yours has nothing to do with skill and much more to do with your frustration of a perceived abuse by Dracarys.

And you speak of abusing game mechanics and such.. you're setting this "challenge" up so that they can't win by supremacy... but I would do it anyways, if you try to hide.

 

Be a man, step up and if you really want to issue a challenge, do a simple challenge with no pretense of anything but seeing if you're better than them.

 

 

Take my dogfight with Wing_Commander_Zero in tylerjonanderson's tournament, for instance: We simply met at 5,000 ft. AGL, made a no-fire pass right through center, and then called out "ready," "ready"  "go" before turning and engaging.

 

Loadout: We took the Bf-109B with full upgrades, wing guns and best 20mm cannon. We had High Explosive for the 20mm and AP-I for the 7.92 mm MGs. We had consumables the same, Fire Extinguisher, High Octane, and Pneumatic Restarter.

 

 

We had fun...

 

 

Your challenge... you're not wanting to challenge yourself and see if you can win in a 1 on 1.. you just want to be a dick. Considering I have never affronted you in such a manner, your action toward me is unwarranted. And, it's laughable at best.

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Your challenge... you're not wanting to challenge yourself and see if you can win in a 1 on 1.. you just want to be a dick. Considering I have never affronted you in such a manner, your action toward me is unwarranted. And, it's laughable at best.

 

Your clan wasn't looking for a challenge: they just wanted to be dicks, too.  The difference here is that they did it for thousands of battles, and I'm asking for 10.  But none of you will take me up on it because you all know it's suicide: it's not even possible to win.

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