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6 hours ago, Kitten said:

@Orrie so what're the barf tank and murica tank IDs? :oscar: 

This is what I currently have.
Gonna find those ID's for the bottom tanks later.

Strv m/42-57 Alt A.2     51585  6     medium  sweden   prem    S01_Strv_74_A2
T26E5                    58913  8     heavy   usa      prem    A117_T26E5
T26E5 Patriot            59169  8     heavy   usa      prem    A117_T26E5_Patriot
AMX M4 1949 Liberte      62017  8     heavy   france   prem    F74_AMX_M4_1949_Liberte


Supertest:
Name                     ID     Tier  Type    Nation   Status  Name_ID
KV-122                   49921  7     heavy   ussr     test    R133_KV_122
Object 257               50433  10    heavy   ussr     test    R129_Object_257
T95/Chieftain            56401  10    medium  uk       test    GB88_T95_Chieftain_turret
VK 65.01 (H)             59409  5     heavy   germany  test    G122_VK6501H
AMX M4 1949              00000  8     heavy   france   test    F74_AMX_M4_1949
T92 Lt                   00000  7     lt      usa      test    A99_T92_LT
T71E1                    00000  7     lt      usa      test    A103_T71E1
T71E2                    00000  7     lt      usa      test    A112_T71E2

 

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3 hours ago, Orrie said:

Fixed that, was a caching issue.

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I bring ID's from test, including the missing ones from the previous list I posted:
And I realized the T72 versions are already added.

 

Available Tanks Missing:
Name                     ID     Tier  Type    Nation   Status  Name_ID
T26E5                    58913  8     heavy   usa      prem    A117_T26E5
T26E5 Patriot            59169  8     heavy   usa      prem    A117_T26E5_Patriot
AMX M4 1949 Liberte      62017  8     heavy   france   prem    F74_AMX_M4_1949_Liberte


Swedish Tanks:
Name                     ID     Tier  Type    Nation   Status  Name_ID
Strv fm/21               129    1     lt      sweden   new     S05_Strv_M21_29
Strv m/38                385    2     lt      sweden   new     S03_Strv_M38
Strv m/40L               641    3     lt      sweden   new     S12_Strv_M40
Lago                     897    4     medium  sweden   new     S04_Lago_I
Strv m/42                1153   5     medium  sweden   new     S02_Strv_M42
Strv 74                  1409   6     medium  sweden   new     S07_Strv_74
Leo                      1665   7     medium  sweden   new     S13_Leo
Emil I                   1921   8     heavy   sweden   new     S18_EMIL_1951_E1
Emil II                  2177   9     heavy   sweden   new     S17_EMIL_1952_E2
Kranvagn                 2433   10    heavy   sweden   new     S16_Kranvagn
Pvlvv fm/42              2689   2     td      sweden   new     S09_L_120_TD
Ikv 72                   2945   3     td      sweden   new     S20_Ikv_72
Sav m/43                 3201   4     td      sweden   new     S19_Sav_M43
Ikv 103                  3457   5     td      sweden   new     S14_Ikv_103
Ikv 65 Alt II            3713   6     td      sweden   new     S08_Ikv_65_Alt_2
Ikv 90 Typ B             3969   7     td      sweden   new     S06_Ikv_90_Typ_B_Bofors
UDES 03                  4225   8     td      sweden   new     S21_UDES_03
Strv 103-0               4481   9     td      sweden   new     S10_Strv_103_0_Series
Strv 103B                4737   10    td      sweden   new     S11_Strv_103B
Strv L-60                51841  2     lt      sweden   prem    S15_L_60


Supertest:
Name                     ID     Tier  Type    Nation   Status  Name_ID
KV-122                   49921  7     heavy   ussr     test    R133_KV_122
Object 257               50433  10    heavy   ussr     test    R129_Object_257
T95/Chieftain            56401  10    medium  uk       test    GB88_T95_Chieftain_turret
T92 Lt                   57889  7     lt      usa      test    A99_T92_LT
Chrysler K               58657  8     heavy   usa      test    A115_Chrysler_K
VK 65.01 (H)             59409  5     heavy   germany  test    G122_VK6501H
AMX M4 1949              62785  8     heavy   france   test    F74_AMX_M4_1949
Somua SM                 62273  8     heavy   france   test    F84_Somua_SM

 

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My thoughts on the matter:

 

Name           ID     Tier  Type      Base            Why
Strv fm/21     129    1     lt        Ltraktor        Closest play style, kinda.
Strv m/38      385    2     lt        Pz 35t          Looks similar statwise
Strv m/40L     641    3     lt        Pz 38t          --||--
Lago           897    4     medium    Chi-He          --||--
Strv m/42      1153   5     medium    Chi-Nu          --||--
Strv 74        1409   6     medium    T-34-85         Looks like same playstyle, but turret is ezzz pen
Leo            1665   7     medium    T20             High alpha gun with depression and mobility, T20 got a contender
Emil I         1921   8     heavy     AMX 50 100      Looks and play the same, though stronger turrets
Emil II        2177   9     heavy     AMX 50 120      --||--
Kranvagn       2433   10    heavy     AMX 50b         --||--
Pvlvv fm/42    2689   2     td        UC 2pdr         Looks the same
Ikv 72         2945   3     td        Marder II       Similar gun stats
Sav m/43       3201   4     td        Stug III B      105mm
Ikv 103        3457   5     td        Stug III G      105mm, but tricky since no HE and high reload/low dpm
Ikv 65 Alt II  3713   6     td        ARL V39         I have no idea, the gun is accurate, but the reload is shithigh. Good camo tho.
Ikv 90 Typ B   3969   7     td        T25 AT          Another no idea tank, the gun is close the AMX AC 46, but the overall tank is paper giving it the best camo of the T7 TDs
UDES 03        4225   8     td        KanJpz          Maximum dunno. This is the epitome of glass cannons. Has 50% more camo than any other glass cannon.
Strv 103-0     4481   9     td        Foch/SU-122-54  Pretty much the same. 105mm gun with massive pen for its tier - Nothing else really fits
Strv 103B      4737   10    td        Obj 263         Another glass, but it has decent armor when used right and the gun is just hnggg in siege mode - Nothing else really fits
Strv L-60      51841  2     lt        T2 Lt/ Pz II D  Tier 2 prem with autocannon, meh

 

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On 25/11/2016 at 1:56 AM, Kitten said:

More goddamn prems. Got the IDs @Orrie?

I guess the class/tier/nation is fairy obvious

Name               Name_ID            ID
T34 B              A13_T34_hvy_BF     59425
Schwarzpanzer 58   G119_Panzer58_BF   49937
IS-6 B             R61_Object252_BF   49409

 

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I guess that about now, the concept of using average expected values per tier instead of per tank is looking pretty good, huh?

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4 hours ago, Gryphon_ said:

I guess that about now, the concept of using average expected values per tier instead of per tank is looking pretty good, huh?

#bringbackwn7

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13 hours ago, Orrie said:

Winrate is where it's at. :kappa:

Has enough time elapsed where Tank Companies no longer matter though?

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23 hours ago, CraBeatOff said:

Whelms says no.  Kekekekeke

Vintage reference but still valid. 

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11 hours ago, _Dia said:

Vintage reference but still valid. 

Why don't we bring back toni and Garbad to go at it again, if we're reveling in the old days.

Also my vote goes to Eff, is best metric afterall :doge:

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Sorry nerds, you can keep your metrics. I'm back to playing4fun. You can keep try-harding in your moms' basements while you eat cheetos and chug MTN DEW CODE RED.

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Right-o, v. 29 another interim. Pretty sure I'll be collecting data in January so hopefully we can get another full update in before Feb (too early for swedes tho).

Changelog:

Strv fm/21 - L. Traktor
Strv m/38 - Pz. 35t
Strv m/40L - Pz. 38t
Lago - Chi-He
Strv m/42 - Chi-Nu
Strv 74 - T-34-85
Leo - T20
Emil I - AMX 50 100
Emil II - AMX 50 120
Kranvagn - AMX 50bae
Pvlvv fm/42 - UC 2-pdr
Ikv 72 - Marder II
Sav m/43 - Hetzer
Ikv 103 - SU-85
Ikv 65 Alt II - Jg.Pz. IV
Ikv 90 Typ B - SU-100M1
UDES 03 - SU-101
Strv 103-0 - SU-122-54
Strv 103B - Obj. 263
Strv L-60 - T2 LT
T26E5 (and Patriot) - T32
AMX M4 1949 Liberte - M6A2E1
T34B - T34
Schwzpzr. 58 - Mutz
IS-6 B - IS-6
Object 252U - IS-3

Additionally, the following changes have been made to existing expected values:
M46 Patton expected damage doubled
E50 expected damage tripled
Since there were complaints that the RU meds really do perform the same and that the data is a lie, all RU med expected values set to 907 values for equality

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0ghzt1spjmjrkpt/expected_tank_values_29.csv?dl=0

Merry christmas padding shitters!

@Orrie @Phalynx

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