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I wish that article was written in English so I could figure out what point he is trying to make.

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I wish that article was written in English so I could figure out what point he is trying to make.

What the fuck are you smoking, it is in english.

 

 

 

 
 

After CCP announced that 50% of the paying players quit soon, 40% goes solo “leveling up their Raven” (and quit later) and only 10% gets involved in the sandbox, I suggested a quite obvious band-aid: let them level their Ravens much longer, by giving them PvP and jump-incapable highsec supercapitals. These ships would be bad choice as a tool for any job, but they would be an obvious “solo progression” goal, an “achievement” or “epic mount”.

 

The Goon propaganda brigade jumped into action, but not in the way I expected them. I expected them criticizing the ungankability of these ships, but probably even they realized that if the player quits, he can’t be ganked either. No, they came with the reasoning that such open disrespect of solo players would backfire on CCP, making them lose more players. Their point is that this would tell people “here, grind for a useless mining titan, you aren’t good for anything else” and they would get offended by this.

 

Sounds pretty true. However if it would be true, World of Warcraft and World of Tanks would be closed long ago. Both games give the bad players welfare. If you manage to fail a raid even on the easiest difficulty, you get a stacking buff for every wipe until you can kill it. You can also get “welfare epics” for trivial tasks, like killing enough random mobs or playing arena on 500 rating. In World of Tanks the matchmaking places you into a battle with near 50% win chance, regardless of your skill, so you’ll win half of your battles even if you are purposefully trolling. Yet the bad players don’t get offended by it.

 

There is more! “Welfare epics” isn’t a derogatory term used by “elite” players for the rewards available to lesser players. The term was used by devs on Blizzcon (the Fanfest of WoW) and this is the official term for it. The WoT matchmaking algorithm is patented, making it open what I called “cheat”. Mechwarrior Online openly uses ELO rating system without showing the rating, so playing bad has absolutely no difference from playing good. And yet the bad players aren’t offended. Good players are and these games are avoided by them, giving WoW its bad name.

 

But the crown jewel is yet to come: “welfare” isn’t a derogatory term in real life, despite we live in a world where you can get heat for calling your own team “Redskins”. Some extremists even consider “black coffee” racist. Yet “welfare” isn’t renamed to “rightful rewards for people who live for fun”, and yet no one got offended by it. Welfare recipients don’t consider it a shameful thing.

 

My point is that while you would be offended if a game developer would tell “you suck, but take some fake rewards for your lowly performance”, this cannot be generalized. You want to not suck, you want to win, so you want a game that gives clear and obvious feedback to your performance. Realizing that you got welfare epics would make you mad because it shows that the developer considers you incapable of improving.

 

The morons and slackers on the other hand don’t want to improve and see absolutely no problem with them being useless. They actually don’t see why should they be any useful. Their purpose isn’t to create or reach something but to “have fun”. A real life welfare recipient is fully aware that he isn’t doing anything but he still feel entitled for various things from the society. If he doesn’t get “enough” he goes and steal them. The point isn’t that they are leeches, the point is that they don’t find it a problem or a source of shame.

 

Socials don’t want to look useless, but they don’t value being good in something either. They believe that you must make an effort, but it’s not a problem if your efforts are futile. When Keynes suggested “The government should pay people to dig holes in the ground and then fill them up.”, there were no protests despite the obvious futility of the task. “You sound like Keynes” isn’t an insult. Recently the Hungarian government started a huge social employment program, employing 10% of the workforce in rather pointless tasks. The liberals thinkers were outraged by this and considered it a violation of the dignity of the ones made to participate. The government got re-elected with record numbers and their support among such “workers” were 80%+ according to the opinion surveys. They praised the government for creating jobs. Social people love the completely pointless “dig holes and fill them” jobs, exactly because you can’t fail in them.

 

The very idea that your work should be any useful is “being capitalist”. The worker is paid for his hours, it’s the business owner whose income depends on the results. If a shop sells nothing for a year, the owner gets bankrupt, the shopkeepers get their “well earned” salary.

 

CCP can safely introduce rewards for pointless grinding, the social players will love it and it’ll greatly increase their subscriber count. The only thing they have to be careful with is that these rewards must not be useful in PvP or competitive in ISK making, or they turn EVE into space-WoW and drive their current subscribers away. “Being WoW” means “sub-par performance gives competitive rewars”. I don’t suggest that. What I suggest is “sub-par performance should give sub-par rewards” instead of the current “you can’t get anything for sub-par performance” which drive the M&S and socials away, unless they are in a space-communist group where others carry them in turn of their occasional F1 pushing. F1 pushing is a perfect job for socials: easy, you are with “friends” and you aren’t responsible for the outcome (the FC is).

- Gevlon Goblin

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I find it hilarious that this patent describes the MM algorithm as only taking vehicle type and tier into account, not player stats. However, people still insist that WG's "patented MM" matches you in such a way to force your win rate to 50% despite your skills. I guess literacy is no longer as common as I thought.

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My guess is he probably doesn't play WoT and has only just found out about this while finding things to compare the EVE ship to for the purpose of the article.

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lol that ufo-believer is writing blog posts in someone else's blog. Is that a joke blog? Please tell me it is a comedy blog and my sense of humour here just isn't good enough... well in this case the latter is probably true either way...

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My guess is he probably doesn't play WoT and has only just found out about this while finding things to compare the EVE ship to for the purpose of the article.

no he is a hardcore rigged MM fanatic from EU, he used to post on EU forums too before he got banned and he has a blog where he spouts his nonsense too, which other deniers sometimes even cite as proof :D

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What the fuck, i know literally know nothing about eve other than goons came from it and I already hate the idiot who wrote the article.

 

Also he managed to shit up pretty much anything he said about WoT so that's a thing.

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In the end, these are games and games  are supposed to be fun....

 

If the author wants to put effort into a game to improve, win more and thereby make the game more fun; more power to (h)im/er/it etc.  I find it more fun to win than to lose and suck so I'm right there with him.

 

If folks, for whatever reason, want to pop a beer and chill and enjoy the game win or lose; then they are weird and bent, but that's their choice as well.  

 

I don't think rewarding the 2nd choice is productive as they will do what they do without regard to rewards anyway now won't they?...

 

that's my take on the subject

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Why even bother reposting some shit Gevlon wrote? He's to the Eve community what IOC is to Tanks. EN24 hasn't had any credibility for years and no one pays any attention to them.

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no he is a hardcore rigged MM fanatic from EU, he used to post on EU forums too before he got banned and he has a blog where he spouts his nonsense too, which other deniers sometimes even cite as proof :D

He shits up the F&I forums fairly regularly too.

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Well I played eve for a grand total of 10 minutes. And it was swiftly removed from my computer. Im sure its a fine game to troll space pubs with, but learning how to play it would be trolling myself in the process.

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Well I played eve for a grand total of 10 minutes. And it was swiftly removed from my computer. Im sure its a fine game to troll space pubs with, but learning how to play it would be trolling myself in the process.

It REALLY isn't that hard. It's just not idiot proof/"copy paste the control scheme from 90% of the other games out there"

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It REALLY isn't that hard. It's just not idiot proof/"copy paste the control scheme from 90% of the other games out there"

 

So I am told. But I didn't find it engaging to go further in it. And being a subscription game, not sure I want to pay to test if I like it down the road

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It REALLY isn't that hard. It's just not idiot proof/"copy paste the control scheme from 90% of the other games out there"

 

learningcurve.jpg

 

 

@MaxL, Gevlon has never been a paragon of literacy.  He's such a shitlord that he has had people literally lining up to kill his Eve shit.

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i know literally know nothing about eve other than goons came from it

the goons came from the somethingawful forums as far as I know

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It REALLY isn't that hard. It's just not idiot proof/"copy paste the control scheme from 90% of the other games out there"

Just get a raven and beat the game.
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LOLLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

Its glevon, well known in Eve circles for being retarded and a troll.

 

If you read replies to his posts, there has been much rage~

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^ Best advice you can give a denier...

Could be their pants too

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