E 100: The Bruiser by Oneechan

[Agamemneon 1,079]

1. my E100 AP regularly goes through IS7 lower plate

2. you can always switch to HEAT if you come accross an IS7.

1. AP will not reliably go through the IS-7 lower plate.

2. Yes, let's just put ourselves out of the game for an additional ~17secs because we wanted to save a few credits on a shell that would have penetrated any tank you're looking at.

 

Anyone who has issues making the E-100's HEAT pen doesn't know how to properly shoot HEAT. I can count on a single hand how many times HEAT will not pen in a single session. You will waste so much time and damage on AP pen roll failures and suddenly coming up on a tank that requires HEAT.

 

MaxL said it, using AP in an E-100 is basically saying "I am too cheap to help my team win!"

[AngryBanana 52]

"... Hello, Mr. IS-7, would you please sit still for 16-and-change seconds while I switch ammo? Alternatively, could you please sit still in the ideal position so that I can find the perfect angle for me to high-roll my penetration check and get a shot through the LFP? Kthxbye."

15,8 seconds in my E100, and yeah it would be better if you had gold preloaded, but there are also plenty of situations where I'd wish I didnt load HEAT if that was loaded. This situation can occur in any tank unless you run 100% gold on everything. Finally in 90% of the situations where I need to switch ammo in my E100 all it does is that it takes my slightly longer to kill that guy, which is usually not a big deal anyway.

[MaxL_1023 1,295]

It works, just not as well as HEAT.

[Marduk 941]

You load AP for that batchat, he gets away, and suddenly another E 100 appears

Then what happens?

 

 

 

Wait Wut? A Wild E-100 snuck up you? Was it painted bright red* and near a cow and you just failed to see it? There is NOTHING sudden about an E-100.

 

You are selectively reading and taking statements that I say, "sometimes" and turning them into "always" and slays the shit out of that strawman.

 

Guess what? I also sometimes shoot HE. At 400m, E100s that get detracked by my HE cry a ton when the next round that hits them is a T92. I'm not advocating for loading HE as standard practice... just that at say... the start of Campinova it can situationly be useful.

 

 

 

 

@Bannana: I'd load HEAT just because I'd be afraid he'd face hug me and keep me from seeing the LFP. But I'm admittedly bad@tonks, I guess you could go for the commander hatch......

 

 

*See, its a joke. In America barns are traditionally painted red. I have no idea why. Mine isn't.

[sr360 4,988]

Just because a player has good stats and an opinion, doesn't make that opinion necessarily correct. 

Exhibit A:

 

http://youtu.be/eLMO9-dAM9w

 

Deep purple EU player advocates running WTF-100 with the 150 mm and full AP. "Because HEAT is for n00bz."

 

I'll let that one sink in.

 

Also: this is an E-100. It has a 16-ish second reload. Ammo switching is not automatic or easy. HEAT has more general utility than AP. That's it.

[AngryBanana 52]

It works, just not as well as HEAT.

yes, and I also like shooting as much AP as feasible both for making credits and because I have an irrational dislike for using sprem. ok?

[Intumesce 1,695]

15,8 seconds in my E100, and yeah it would be better if you had gold preloaded, but there are also plenty of situations where I'd wish I didnt load HEAT if that was loaded. This situation can occur in any tank unless you run 100% gold on everything. Finally in 90% of the situations where I need to switch ammo in my E100 all it does is that it takes my slightly longer to kill that guy, which is usually not a big deal anyway.

 

Plenty of situations like what? The ONLY times you'd rather load AP is for an arty kill as it would be cheaper (still a waste of time) or when shooting at the side of tanks, in which case, just aim a bit better

15 or more seconds is a lot of time, a T57 reloads its drum in just a bit more time than that and it can drum down more than half your health

In 15s, an enemy might start a push, a teammate might die, and 15s spent doing nothing is a lot of damage missed out on

[Marduk 941]

marduk stop, you and anfield are horribly wrong

I'll stop, not because I'm wrong, because Anfield's results are NOT debatable*, but because I'm starting to get irritated that you guys are so crappy at logic. For the most part I like you guys and its not worth getting honestly worked up.... and I get worked up when people are bad@science and math.

 

 

 

*There is one possible argument that could be made against Anfield's results.....I'm betting that SR would be only one to find the possible flaw. (or Crab if he was still here)

 

 

**Yeah, Max kinda covered it. Anfield would need to run 50-100 games of all HEAT vs his "selective HEAT" strat and we could see if he does better with 100% HEAT. I will continue to shoot Leo-Is with AP and Waffles with HE when I am sure that I can switch ammo types and not get ganked in the face by a stealthy Maus.

[sr360 4,988]

yes, and I also like shooting as much AP as feasible both for making credits and because I have an irrational dislike for using sprem. ok?

 

I make money shooting mostly HEAT.

 

As for the second part, at least you admit that it is irrational.

 

 

 

*There is one possible argument that could be made against Anfield's results.....I'm betting that SR would be only one to find the possible flaw. (or Crab if he was still here)

 

I haven't looked into Anfield's results in detail, but I have spoken to jacg123, who was doing 3-ishK DPG with an AP-heavy loadout in the pre-SPREM era, mostly because he's a freakishly good player. In the post-SPREM era, though, with a mix of HEAT and AP he's rolling out closer to 4K DPG.

[Intumesce 1,695]

Wait Wut? A Wild E-100 snuck up you? Was it painted bright red* and near a cow and you just failed to see it? There is NOTHING sudden about an E-100.

 

You are selectively reading and taking statements that I say, "sometimes" and turning them into "always" and slays the shit out of that strawman.

 

Guess what? I also sometimes shoot HE. At 400m, E100s that get detracked by my HE cry a ton when the next round that hits them is a T92. I'm not advocating for loading HE as standard practice... just that at say... the start of Campinova it can situationly be useful.

 

"Sometimes" doesn't make it any less stupid

Being caught off guard loading the wrong ammo in a tank with a reload time 2-3 times that of its competitors is crucial and will cost you a lot of health, and if even more poorly timed you won't get a shot or penetration at all before they back off

 

Loading HE in the E 100 is stupid, AP is even dumber, there's no reason to load AP when you have a HEAT round with 100mm penetration more whose only drawback is worse effectiveness versus spaced armor, which should never matter anyway

[sr360 4,988]

 

Loading HE in the E 100 is stupid, AP is even dumber, there's no reason to load AP when you have a HEAT round with 100mm penetration more whose only drawback is worse effectiveness versus spaced armor, which should never matter anyway

 

Welllll.... I won't say I've NEVER loaded AP/HE. But I can count on one hand the situations where I have

 

-- when I'm dead certain the next tank I'm facing is a Waffle: HE

-- when I'm facing a heavily-armored/hull-down tank with <300 HP: HE (caused a pubbie platoon to rage as I HE'd both their low-heath hull-down IS-7s to death)

-- late game mop-up with only arty/lightly armored TDs left: AP

-- occasionally early game for shots into medium skirmish area for the higher shell velocity + increased reliability vs side armor: AP

 

... and that's 'bout it.

[Garbad 10,517]

After the Heat nerfs I don't agree with that, for the reasons I listed. It is too easy to get into a situation (in pubs) where the HEAT is WORSE than AP.

 

In clan wars, my Ehundo is running either HEAT or HE, because I'm in a spot where I'm going to run into IS-7 front on, E100 head on, Waffles, or a bat trying to flank. PBKAC's scouts are usually good enough that I can see the bat coming in and grab an AP round for him. There are few maps we use E100 on where I am likely to run into T57s (which are the #1 cause of HEAT induced crying)

 

Do you run 100% heat in you Batchat? I don't run any. I run 100% APCR in my 50B. Its not about cash... I'm freaking rich.

 

I no longer feel "Shoot HEAT, always" is a valid statement.

 

Mediums shoot at the side often, making HEAT ghetto.  E100 always shoots at the front of other fattys, making HEAT required.

 

[GehakteMolen 2,063]

now you all excegarate a little....

 

E100 AP is still good enough to penetrate almost any tank in-game, so if you load AP for an Bat chat, and you get cought by yolo IS7 suprise, you can still hit him...

 

and i have 3500 dpb / 4000 wn8 in E100 so im not totally clueless in it...

[sr360 4,988]

now you all excegarate a little....

E100 AP is still good enough to penetrate almost any tank in-game, so if you load AP for an Bat chat, and you get cought by yolo IS7 suprise, you can still hit him...

and i have 3500 dpb / 4000 wn8 in E100 so im not totally clueless in it...

U wot m8? 235 pen is sufficient for ALMOST ANY TANK?

Whatever you're smoking, I would like some. Either that or your EU pubs don't use basic modicum of hull-down, angling or side scraping

[CarbonatedPork 1,585]

If I ever feel up to grinding a tier 10 heavy, the e-hundo will probably be it. IS-foo shoulders drive me bonkers.

[Okeano 2,174]

I don't like prem rounds, played through my T69 carrying one clip of HEAT, but even I shoot mostly HEAT out of my E-100. It's my ONLY tank that I shoot prem rounds more than regular.

[GehakteMolen 2,063]

U wot m8? 235 pen is sufficient for ALMOST ANY TANK?

Whatever you're smoking, I would like some. Either that or your EU pubs don't use basic modicum of hull-down, angling or side scraping

 

HAHAHAHAHA funny joke!!

 

EU player = bot level, litteraly, those bots from ftr, they easy outperform 30-40% of the users

 

theres a whole bunch of players so terrible bad, if they would NOT be in that game (so 14vs15 or 13 vs 15) your winchance would RISE

 

so AP is more then fine

 

ps: im playing IS7 today, and 90% of the time there like 3-5 tier 10 tanks, so 235 pen is good enough

[cd169 19]

HAHAHAHAHA funny joke!!

 

EU player = bot level, litteraly, those bots from ftr, they easy outperform 30-40% of the users

 

theres a whole bunch of players so terrible bad, if they would NOT be in that game (so 14vs15 or 13 vs 15) your winchance would RISE

 

so AP is more then fine

 

ps: im playing IS7 today, and 90% of the time there like 3-5 tier 10 tanks, so 235 pen is good enough

 

So is the meta on the EU server more about how you manage all the bots, both ally and enemy?  I read FTR, and it just looks like a different game then what I see.  I see plenty of tomatoes, and some AFK, but I just don't see that many bots.

[Khromatic 5]

Just gunna ignore all HEAT vs AP discussion for now, but can anyone justify to me the use of vents? I see on the vBaddict statistics for this tank it's used around 64% of tanks, yet is not mentioned in the article even as a potential alternative. 

E-100 vBaddict stats: http://www.vbaddict.net/tankstats/germany/heavy/e-100-37

[Marduk 941]

I have the CarbonWard setup:

 

Vert/Rammer/GLD.

 

You GOTTA get your gun on target, you can't afford to miss.

[_Dia 2,082]

Skimmed through last 2 pages. 

 

I don't find myself having issues with shells going into the sides of mediums and HEAT will go right through the side of a Bat or say, 62A unless you're specifically aiming for the lower half of the tracks. I don't own an E-100 myself but I wouldn't want to waste 16-17 seconds because my AP didn't go through a tank. 

 

It's not a tank to be used for medium hunting, but it's very suitable for brawling. I'd prefer to use the ammo that suits the tanks role the best and not use AP frontally against T9/10 heavies. 

[MaxL_1023 1,295]

If you want to engage heavies you need HEAT. Since they nerfed normalization, AP has been rendered nearly useless. The weakspots on a lot of tier 10s are ~220-240 effective, so shooting 235 at them is just not reliable enough.

[SFC_Storm 58]

I agree.  Certain tanks just need to spam gold full time.  This is one.  So is the IS-7.  So is the T69.  Don't be poor.

 

 

Except I often like a AP Shot when its end game and I dont wanna miss a crucial arty kill etc.

[Laforet 51]

 

I don't find myself having issues with shells going into the sides of mediums and HEAT will go right through the side of a Bat or say, 62A unless you're specifically aiming for the lower half of the tracks. I don't own an E-100 myself but I wouldn't want to waste 16-17 seconds because my AP didn't go through a tank. 

 

I always though that the "HEAT eating tracks" thing is a little overblown. We get those crazy 0 damage tracking shots with AP all the time yet nobody is whining. Most mediums just don't have the track width and enough side armour to resist a HEAT shell with 300mm+ pen unless the shot was made from a very oblique angle.

[SFC_Storm 58]

I love these reviews but IMO opinion the E100 has been nerfed ito its major Niche ion CW.

 

Its armor is soooooo weak its rediculous and antyhing from 280+Heat can murder that massive turret.

 

With a truly "Good" laid out armor scheme, things either have to be straight and made to be angkled manually [which is best for OP players] or optomised with a Pike or slope and made great assuing the enemy comes at you head on.

 

Problem with E100 is its massive lower is enough to cripple you and or make you worry, now thinking about penning Turret as well is to much.

 

THis is where the Failowe beats it in Everyway to me.

 

When ever I see a E100 now, I know if its not in Seriously great hands, and I have anything with s 300+ Pen he is dead. I will pick him apart.

 

He simply cannot worry about angling his gun 2 ways. one of us will say screw it and rush in, but even more I`ll sit until he shoots some one else shoot his turret and close for the circle kill.

 

Sry this is from my Phone. Anyways except for CW where is plays a role, of grouping and overwhelming target with sheer HP while popping Waffles or Meds in 3 shots. So it is a Niche in CW and a good one But for Pubs the Fail is the champion, and since that may not help some it would mean to me just leave the S Heavies alone until they get much needed fix

 

Point is, since HEAT is still ridiculous high Raw Pen and its major downfall is Slope, and since 90% of tanks use HEAT as gold round, the E100 gets shafted. It also got power creedp`d by super accuracy, the Hundo is semi worth;ess as Armored.

 

IS& is the opposite and uses angles and IMO is a "True Super Heavy" it can replace the E100 as I bet the E100 doesnt take actually as much DMG....Ill use the Garbad hardness other ratings and look.

 

But I would take 2k HP with IS7 Armor anyday over 1k more HP but bi

 

 

Edit: I was wrong. Looking back pubs not knowing my weak spots doesn't make it better. That is all.